Go Back   The AK Files Forums > Rifle Forums > AK-47s

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-23-2017, 02:34 AM   #1
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default Saiga converted SGL

Hi guys, do you guys with Saiga conversions leave the BHO feature on next to the trigger or take it off?
Just curious if there are any pros or cons to it.
Thanks
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 02:38 AM   #2
nalioth
Devil's Advocate & Moderator
 
nalioth's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 5678
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 37,988
Default

On the Saiga, the BHO feature only exists to add "importation points" ( ""Sporting arms" have bolt hold open features, so our Saiga is "sporting"!" )

It should be removed and discarded during a conversion, as leaving it in can cause issues ( such as a locked-up rifle )
nalioth is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 02:59 AM   #3
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default

Cool thanks for he info. This is a FIME group conversion so did they leave it in just for importation points? I thought they redid the rifle once here. Wonder why they left it in.
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 03:01 AM   #4
nalioth
Devil's Advocate & Moderator
 
nalioth's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 5678
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 37,988
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rangerup View Post
Cool thanks for he info. This is a FIME group conversion so did they leave it in just for importation points? I thought they redid the rifle once here. Wonder why they left it in.
Because it takes more work to remove it properly, and there are many folks out there who have not suffered from the BHO and who think it's "cool".
nalioth is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 03:09 AM   #5
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default

I see. I don’t like it. If it wasn’t on the AK103 I don’t want it on mine. Plus I feel it every time my finger goes in the well and I’m sure to induce a stoppage with it.
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 03:25 AM   #6
mishaco
Veteran Member
 
AKaholic #: 190226
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 1,004
Default

On the 12g SGL12, it is actually a useful feature. When i pulled the stock lockout out of my SGL12-94, at first I left the BHO out. I went back a week later and reinstalled it. By the way, Saigas sold in Russia often have the manual BHO also.
mishaco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 07:14 AM   #7
soul rebel
Curio & Relic
 
AKaholic #: 167399
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Keepin powder dry...
Posts: 3,840
Default

OP - do you have an sgl-26? it should be marked. These have the saiga bho left in and are pretty rare. I have one and I took the bho out.
soul rebel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 01:23 PM   #8
soul rebel
Curio & Relic
 
AKaholic #: 167399
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Keepin powder dry...
Posts: 3,840
Default

Rare and valuable aren’t always the same thing you might be able to get more than a SGL-21 but maybe only from a collector. I think only a hundred or so SGL-26s were imported.
soul rebel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 05:27 PM   #9
DOS AK's
Veteran Member
Bronze Contributor
 
DOS AK's's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 177786
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Gadsden Territory
Posts: 1,358
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoNoGo View Post
Shit, seriously, only around 100 ?? Shows how naive I am sometimes.. I had actually mentally DE-valued the SGL-26 due to the SLOT in the receiver after I (was going to remove) the BHO assembly, LOL !!
I've got one NIB too. So there's 2 of the 100 right here!
__________________
Barry Goldwater
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!"
DOS AK's is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 05:35 PM   #10
soul rebel
Curio & Relic
 
AKaholic #: 167399
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Keepin powder dry...
Posts: 3,840
Default

100 isn't a definitive number, only what I have heard. could be more or less. I think 1 batch came in around the SH panic if I'm remembering correctly. That's when I got my mine.
soul rebel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 06:54 PM   #11
mishaco
Veteran Member
 
AKaholic #: 190226
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 1,004
Default

Yep, there were some floating around during late 2012/early 2013.

If only 100, then they sure as hell sold ssslllloooowwwwwllllyyyy.
I remember those things just setting in stock at K-Var/Arsenal for months, while the SGL21s sold very well.

Somehow I think the number was higher based on quantities they were showing at the time, and the fact that Izhmash has rarely done things in small numbers. That factory likes to do large batches.
However, I have zero evidence to support my idea or contradict your number of 100.
I could be wrong, you could very well be right.

All I know for sure is that the importer had them in stock for quite a long time and was struggling to sell them.
mishaco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 07:22 PM   #12
soul rebel
Curio & Relic
 
AKaholic #: 167399
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Keepin powder dry...
Posts: 3,840
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mishaco View Post
Yep, there were some floating around during late 2012/early 2013.

If only 100, then they sure as hell sold ssslllloooowwwwwllllyyyy.
I remember those things just setting in stock at K-Var/Arsenal for months, while the SGL21s sold very well.

Somehow I think the number was higher based on quantities they were showing at the time, and the fact that Izhmash has rarely done things in small numbers. That factory likes to do large batches.
However, I have zero evidence to support my idea or contradict your number of 100.
I could be wrong, you could very well be right.

All I know for sure is that the importer had them in stock for quite a long time and was struggling to sell them.
you would know better than me so I defer to your assessment. I got one of the last ones, i think. If memory serves i ordered mine at about 9 pm eastern and my friend tried to get one about an hour later and they were sold out. I remember i wanted an SGL-21 but they were long gone by then.

Eta: mine is not marked SGL-26.
soul rebel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 09:48 PM   #13
Swolon Labe
Member
 
AKaholic #: 193330
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Snubville USA
Posts: 35
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nalioth View Post
Because it takes more work to remove it properly, and there are many folks out there who have not suffered from the BHO and who think it's "cool".
What happens when it fails? Will it cause damage to other parts of the rifle? Are there any signs it's going to give soon?
Swolon Labe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 10:44 PM   #14
SRG
Heathen
 
AKaholic #: 155118
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: IL
Posts: 1,138
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swolon Labe View Post
What happens when it fails? Will it cause damage to other parts of the rifle? Are there any signs it's going to give soon?
Usually they fail by locking the bolt carrier in the rear position, usually resulting in some extreme frustration in unlocking it.

Google search: 'Saiga BHO failure' and you can read about a bunch of examples from the Saiga12forums.
SRG is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 10:46 PM   #15
KW600
New Member
 
AKaholic #: 168336
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: hillside
Posts: 2
Default

What's a sgl 26-61 worth these days. LNIB. Thinking about selling one. Thanks
KW600 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2017, 11:37 PM   #16
Swolon Labe
Member
 
AKaholic #: 193330
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Snubville USA
Posts: 35
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SRG View Post
Usually they fail by locking the bolt carrier in the rear position, usually resulting in some extreme frustration in unlocking it.

Google search: 'Saiga BHO failure' and you can read about a bunch of examples from the Saiga12forums.
Much appreciated.
Swolon Labe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 12:38 AM   #17
nalioth
Devil's Advocate & Moderator
 
nalioth's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 5678
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 37,988
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swolon Labe View Post
Much appreciated.
Since we've not used the search and read all about this, allow me to reiterate another point:

If you are right-handed, after a conversion the BHO lever is right above your hand, when it grasps the pistol grip.

If you're not paying attention you can lock the bolt back when you fire.

. . . and

Quote:
Originally Posted by SRG View Post
Usually they fail by locking the bolt carrier in the rear position, usually resulting in some extreme frustration in unlocking it.
"Extreme frustration" is a nice way to put it. They key word is "locked".

You will be unable to disassemble the rifle while it's "locked" and recovering from this situation is - well, again, "extremely frustrating" is a nice way to phrase it.
nalioth is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 03:54 AM   #18
soul rebel
Curio & Relic
 
AKaholic #: 167399
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Keepin powder dry...
Posts: 3,840
Default

It should be removed imho, very easy to accidentally activate as mentioned above. But if just bench shooting i think it's fine to leave it in.
soul rebel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 07:42 PM   #19
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default

Awesome info all guys. Mine is not marked SGL anywhere on the rifle. What is the difference between a SGL21 or 26? I am a Saiga newb.

No marking on the rifle, I’ll check the box
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 07:45 PM   #20
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default

Box says SGL26-61

Still could someone tell me the difference between the 21 and 26?
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 07:51 PM   #21
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default

Never mind I guess the 26 cost a little more cause of the BHO feature and that’s about all.
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 09:24 PM   #22
mishaco
Veteran Member
 
AKaholic #: 190226
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 1,004
Default

I still like the BHO on my SGL12. It makes inserting full 8 rounders much easier/handier.

Usually the device fails when its spring slips out of its notch. I agree, its not a very great design.

It is fixeable though if it happens.

On a rifle? I'd not see a lot of usefulness to a BHO. Might work ok with a Yugo pattern magazine? Don't know, never tried it.
mishaco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2017, 11:20 PM   #23
Shadowstick
Member
 
AKaholic #: 185863
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: AZ
Posts: 25
Default

I have a question. After removing the BHO, is there a spacer/washer that needs to be installed in place of the BHO or is fine leaving as is?
Shadowstick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2017, 12:34 AM   #24
mishaco
Veteran Member
 
AKaholic #: 190226
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 1,004
Default

Its fine. The FCG or hammer pin are not modified for it. Its just a flat piece of stamped steel with aspring that looks like a safety pin. Very simple, but fair warning, it is a bitch to reinstall.
mishaco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2017, 01:13 AM   #25
Shadowstick
Member
 
AKaholic #: 185863
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: AZ
Posts: 25
Default

Thanks
Shadowstick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2017, 04:53 AM   #26
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default

Ok AK master please don’t flame this newb. I searched, read, watch videos etc.

What is the final verdict on a FIME SGL Saiga in 7.62x39 as far as: is a FIME SGL the same as an Arsenal with the only deifference being the markings? As per Kvars explanation on their website.

I cannot tell Amy appreciable difference between the Arsenal and FIME marked guns at all. So since they switch importers to FIME towards the end of the SGL run. What is fair market value for a FIME SGL as opposed to an Arsenal or legion marked one since the FIME ones are technically far fewer. As these collectors pieces now or just a high end AK?

Again I looked, searched and read a lot of articles and threads but I a, sure someone here can give me a definitive answer on this.

Thanks in advance guys for your thoughts and input
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2017, 11:39 AM   #27
chile1
Gunners for life........
 
chile1's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 173484
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Cardinal Nation
Posts: 473
Default

other than the sticker outside of the box and the BHO feature on SGL26-61, there is no other difference or roll marks on the weapon stating one vs the SGL21 made by FIME..
__________________
"If you eat caviar every day it's difficult to return to sausages."
chile1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2017, 03:51 PM   #28
soul rebel
Curio & Relic
 
AKaholic #: 167399
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Keepin powder dry...
Posts: 3,840
Default

The guy who converted the last arsenal sgl21 was also the guy who converted the first fime group sgl21
soul rebel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2017, 10:25 PM   #29
rangerup
Member
 
rangerup's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 193154
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Panhandle, Florida
Posts: 67
Default

Good info guys. Thanks all that took the time to explain what was going on.
rangerup is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©1998-2017 The AK FIles