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Old 11-26-2017, 09:21 PM   #1
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Hello hope all is well, this weekend I just received a Tabuk Clone from my wife from Two Rivers. I have been looking for a ZRAK scope but finding them cammed for that caliber is proving impossible. I never owned a Yugo variant AK before so pardon me for asking this question, what scope options do I have? I can find the mount but not the scope on Apex Gun Parts. I would prefer a 4X with Simonov reticle but don't know which options would work best with this mount?
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A ZRAK won't fit on the side rail from 2 Rivers, it is a POSP side rail. And as you already found out you are probably not going to find one cammed correctly.
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:56 AM   #3
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Thanks, why wont it fit when it says on their website," scope rail that fits Soviet and Yugoslavian pattern scopes." and pictures a ZRAK mount? Sorry I am confused.
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However will a RS REGULATE AK307 mount fit ok on this type of side rail?
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I dont know how different the rivet patterns are from an Opap.. but the Zrak scope and mount will fit it.
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Hmmm when I contacted them early this year I was told a ZRAK wouldn’t fit
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:15 PM   #7
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Thanks so much for the help guys. Two Rivers called me the gentleman mentioned they used a PSL scope. So I think I will see if the RS REGULATE AK310 mount will work since it is for a PSL, also I reached out to PA Distributing and need to get him a photo of the rail and dovetail to see if the mount will work. I will definitely post what I find out.

Of course if anyone has a Two Rivers Tabuk Sniper I would be eager to know what they run on it, if they don't run the ZRAK scope. Or what mount works best on the rail.
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Old 11-27-2017, 10:11 PM   #8
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A PSL scope does not use a mount. It is an intehrated mont and scope. They can be seen on Tabuk rifles. Of course they are cammed for 54r.
A ZRAK M76 scope should fit as well assuming TRA used a Tabuk clone rail.
The PAP rail is not the same as a Tabuk rail.

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Two rivers uses surplus Yugoslavian parts on there tabuk rifles. So they're probably using a Yugoslavian rail. Op can you post pics of the rifle and the rail?
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There are no surplus Tabuk or Zastava rails in the USA.
A review of the TRA site shows standard ZRAK and PSL scopes in use etc.

Repro Tabuk rails were produced by pupwag and presumably TRA has done the same.


http://www.tworiversarms.com/TabukSniper.htm
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There are no surplus Tabuk or Zastava rails in the USA.
A review of the TRA site shows standard ZRAK and PSL scopes in use etc.

Repro Tabuk rails were produced by pupwag and presumably TRA has done the same.


http://www.tworiversarms.com/TabukSniper.htm
Ok, it also doesn't matter if they put either a Tabuk copy of a scope rail.. or one that's modeled after a Serbian rifle surplus or new. Either one WILL fit the Zrak and the Zrak scopes will fit on POSP rails. Or are you just arguing semantics.

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No., the PAP/ZASTAVA rail is not appropriate for a PSL or ZRAK scope on a TABUK rifle for eye relief and setback. It is a matter of ergonomics of the parts etc. That is the point.
As well as the fact that there is no supply of Zastava rails in the USA available.
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Old 11-28-2017, 12:17 PM   #13
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Eta... Except that it fits on the rail and works regardless. But ok dude. Obviously the parts arent ergonomic.

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Thanks for all your help, I will send pics of the rail tonight when I get home of the rail. Sorry I am at work now and they frown upon bringing rifles...jk I know when I spoke to Two Rivers yesterday they said they modeled a TABUK rail. If they did will the ZRAK scope mount work, there is a store I can order on from if it will? If not what would you recommend for an Optic and mount if it wouldn't, preferably one cammed for 7.62x39. PA distributing may be able to recam a M76 I am told to 7.62x39. Sorry by no means am I an expert on this variant, and I deeply appreciate any help or advise you all can offer.

I seen your rifles AKBLUE and they look awesome from the pictures. The Tabuk and SKS were very beautiful.
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See the link posted above. TRA rail and ZRAK and PSL scopes mounted.
PA Distributing has no in stock parts.

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Old 11-28-2017, 08:28 PM   #16
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Here is a pic of the rail sorry it was taken from my phone. I hope it uploads I never uploaded a pic before. If it isn't clear I can take more when I find out where my 8yo hid the camera.
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That is a Tabuk rail cloned. AccAcceptsyepts mounts as in the TRA link above etc
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Eta... Except that it fits on the rail and works regardless. But ok dude. Obviously the parts arent ergonomic.
Eye relief is a critical element in an optic on a rifle. Simply " fitting" is not all there is to a properly scoped rifle.
Eye relief, cheekweld etc. Are critical.
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Eye relief is a critical element in an optic on a rifle. Simply " fitting" is not all there is to a properly scoped rifle.
Eye relief, cheekweld etc. Are critical.
Yeah i can see that. I never really took that into consideration. I just went with the zrak becuase l wanted it to be all yugo/Serbian. No worries.
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Here is a case where I relocated a PAP style rail on a M85 krink kit along with other mods. It can now accept a standard scope and have proper eye relief as other euro rails allow.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showth...&highlight=M85

In the OPTICS section., there is a "sticky" thread on mounting optics on the oddly placed PAP rail on the O, N, M77 etc.

In that case a Krebs Custom forward reach extension was used. Along with other mods and mounts that others have used.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186767
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:14 PM   #21
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Thanks for the good information, I am learning a lot.

May I ask if I was going to go the RS REGULATE path which lower would work?
the RS AK310M Romanian M10/RH10/PSL Full Length Lower or the RS AK307M RS AK-307M Full-Length Optic Rail for Yugo AK?

Reason why I ask is Atlantic Firearms had a POSP 3-9x42 optic that caught my eye with a weaver mount.

Or if I simply wanted to add a red dot since I have an extra Aimpoint T-1.

I cant find where anyone ever used this type of mount on a TABUK before.
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Got a rail from two rivers today, ZRAK does not fit
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It will fit. You may need to adjust the clamp tension nut or light file work on the clone rail etc.
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It will fit. You may need to adjust the clamp tension nut or light file work on the clone rail etc.
There is a good mil at least (using MK 1 eyeball), are there different sized rail sizes in yugos?
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The Tabuk rail is a standard size.., the M76 and M99/M76 mounts fit the rail as does the SVD type Tip 2 PSL mount.

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The Tanuk rail is a standard size the M76 and M99 mounts got the railas does tje SVD typr Tip 2 PSL mount.
I'm not sure what you are asking, a SVD type does mount. I think I can make it work, I can trim the top of the rail to make it fit, it will be a pretty good amount but should lock in securely considering the bottom will completely engage
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I'm not sure what you are asking, a SVD type does mount. I think I can make it work, I can trim the top of the rail to make it fit, it will be a pretty good amount but should lock in securely considering the bottom will completely engage
Not asking, but stating what fits.
The mounts fit the Tabuk rail. Review the TRA link above and any pics from Iraq. They all have ZRAK or PSL/SVD pattern scopes installed.


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Hello hope all is well,

Thought I would give an update on what I learned over the last few weeks between holidays, traveling, and being home to mess with this weapon.

1. I ordered a Yugo M76 Scope Bracket from APEX. Sadly it wouldn't fit, It wouldn't link up with the bottom of the scope mount on the rifle, it seems a little bit small. Could have been the mount though it looked kinda rough since it was a used part.

2. I tried the RS PRODUCTS AK-307M and AK-310M from a friend. I was hoping the AK-310M would work. The AK-307M wouldn't work at all, this was made for YUGO. The AK-310M made for Romanian M10s came the closest however on the scope bracket it seemed to hit the sling mount and stop. I didnt want to file my friends bracket so I just pulled it off.

3. I then tried a PSPU 2.5-5x24B (AK Mount, 400m reticle) and this worked like a charm.
So I will try to find another one of these because the one I have got busted last summer some how:-(

Also I learned that the Two Rivers Arms rifle I have the stock isn't notched for the cheek pad.

Thank you all for your help as I continue on with my Saga of trying to get an optic mounted.
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The TRA Tabuk rail is a standard copy of the Tabuk rail. It fits both M76 and PSL TIP 2 mounts.
Not sure why yours is not fitting unless they are not adjusted properly on the clamp.
As in the pictures above and on internet pics from Iraq the scopes were used etc.
As well as pics I have posted etc., with the M76 mount. on the Tabuk rail.

The Ironwood Design nor the TRA Tabuk stock are inlet for the Russian cheekpad.
They require inletting/fitting by the user/owner etc.

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Thanks, I will attempt it again tomorrow when I get home, I been fighting a wicked sinus infection. When I lived in Ohio I never had as many sinus issues until I moved to TN...

It looked like it was hitting on the lower lip, then again this was a fairly well used mount so that may have had something to do with it as well. I know I did have to clean metal shavings out of the mount in order to loosen the tension screw and with a brass pick. This was before I even mounted it because the screw and clamp wouldnt budge.
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What exactly are the dimensions of the rail? I am just trying to see now if something may be off. Since the RS mount and the M76 mount wouldn't fit

I know it is 5" long, However the rail itself from top edge to bottom edge is how tall? This is the part the scope mount slides on.

Does anyone happen to have this dimension handy?

Just seems odd that a mount that is suppose to fit doesn't unless something is off, I know if you make 1000 of anything 1 may eventually be wrong.
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I have an NOS PSL rail, you guys think I'm good to go on my tabuk build? Without cutting it down?
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I have an NOS PSL rail, you guys think I'm good to go on my tabuk build? Without cutting it down?
The PSL Rail is a good substitute. You can modify it a bit if you want it to look a bit more Tabuk-like. But it is pretty close other than the rivet loop extension.
I do not recall the length difference if there is any. It has been awhile since I compared the two.
But it can be shortened easily enough if necessary.

This should help you out>>



The Tabuk clone rail dovetail is a bit wider than the M76 rail. I never had an issue mounting a M76 optic on the rail. I do not recall filing the Tabuk rail but a bit of flat file on the surface of the rail and/or a 60 degree angled file on the dovetail would resolve any issues.
But in other applications I have not had issues with either rail and commbloc optics.



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