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Old 11-22-2017, 05:02 PM   #106
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It looks like you can see the in the white carrier in the video.
It appears to me that the carrier never moved back or again forward. To me that indicates the bullet never cleared the gas port. The is no smoke at the muzzel or gas tube/ GB vents either.

My guess / opinion is action never opened and it's a case failure of some sort. Likely a obstructed barrel or pinched round at the neck.

I have seen neglected yugo barrels so rusted up a round won't chamber.
It's hard to tell anything from the horrible quality of the video but it kinda looks like the carrier cycled when I watched it but I can't say for sure. However, there was definitely no smoke coming out of the end of the barrel which is making me lean towards it being a squib.
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Old 11-22-2017, 07:46 PM   #107
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You may have a better look. I'm on a cell phone.

If the carrier cycled then gas got to the port or the lugs let loose or some how it was fired with the bolt out of battery.

Hopefully we will see some pictures or its all a waste of time guessing.
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...its all a waste of time guessing.
Yet, everyone is guessing and wasting their time...
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Old 11-23-2017, 02:36 PM   #109
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Makes me not want to shoot my Norinco 86S.
Trade you a Saiga for that dangerous dangerous rifle, easiest way to save your nose
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I still think it was an m80. Lol
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:32 AM   #111
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...anyone seen the op?
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It's hard to tell anything from the horrible quality of the video but it kinda looks like the carrier cycled when I watched it but I can't say for sure. However, there was definitely no smoke coming out of the end of the barrel which is making me lean towards it being a squib.
I agree, this is the most plausible hypothesis.

Also, given the tens of thousands of M70AB2s out there, and the millions of rounds folks have run through them, I am not ready to punch the panic button just yet. There are numerous reasons why this occurred, but thankfully at least he wasn't injured.

I doubt Century would be liable given the age of the rifle and the number of rounds that have been shot through it, especially given the rarity of any issues with the M70AB2. It would have to be proven that it was a manufacturing defect, and after 8K rounds that would be tough. Any defect would have manifested itself a long time ago.

Again, I am glad your friend is OK and understand your concerning having been the previous owner of the rifle; but given the poor quality of the video and the lack of evidence as to the cause of the problem, about all either of you can do is thank God no one was injured and write the rifle off.

By the way, your friend could easily load a higher quality video to YouTube, I load HD vids from my GoPro Hero 5 up all the time. That would help us perhaps figure out the cause of the failure.

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Old 11-24-2017, 01:50 PM   #113
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Thr owner can just take a picture of the bolt and trunion and all the damage he claims and the OP can post it and avoid all the guessing.

Even if the video was clear we would still need pictures of any damage.
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Old 11-24-2017, 02:09 PM   #114
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The reason I stopped using Tula?

about 4 years ago, I loaded a 30 rd mag up full.
Then for a reason that doesn't matter, I didn't shoot it and so needed to unload it later.

Out of those 30 rounds, i noticed some bullet setback into the case at least 6-7 times, and of those it was major/deep at least 2-3 times.
Meaning the bullet was not properly and firmly seated from the factory, so when the rounds were pressed into the mag, it caused setback...and we're talking hand pressure here.

I have noticed this with 7.62x39 and 9x19mm Tulammo.
With .223, I've had several other issues, including a case of 62g stuff that was literally recalled. Tula to their credit sent a call tag and everything; replacing the case and giving me a few more rounds out of apology. Their CS was actually great, so no complaints there.
Thing is, saving $0.02-$0.05 per round just isn't worth the risk of damaging a $500-$1,000+ rifle.
One KB, and any and al savings I might have made over the years would be negated.

So I stopped....however, with Tulammo .308 I have been there 2 separate times when something went very much wrong and the gun made a biger boom. The kind where the mag blew out but at least the receiver itself wasn't heavily damaged. One was a Century CETME, which i originally blamed on the gun rather than ammo, and the second was an Imbel FAL, which I definitely blame the ammo for since that rifle had already had about 500 rds of good ammo through w/o issue. Also after it was repaired, it has continued to fire (good) ammo just fine. Only with Tula did it have explosive diria.

So...for years now, I've just avoided the stuff. And I am the guy who likes running steel cased Wolf or Silver Bear through my Tavor and even SG551...just to make the internet cringe! hehehe
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The reason I stopped using Tula?

about 4 years ago, I loaded a 30 rd mag up full.
Then for a reason that doesn't matter, I didn't shoot it and so needed to unload it later.

Out of those 30 rounds, i noticed some bullet setback into the case at least 6-7 times, and of those it was major/deep at least 2-3 times.
Meaning the bullet was not properly and firmly seated from the factory, so when the rounds were pressed into the mag, it caused setback...and we're talking hand pressure here.

I have noticed this with 7.62x39 and 9x19mm Tulammo.
With .223, I've had several other issues, including a case of 62g stuff that was literally recalled. Tula to their credit sent a call tag and everything; replacing the case and giving me a few more rounds out of apology. Their CS was actually great, so no complaints there.
Thing is, saving $0.02-$0.05 per round just isn't worth the risk of damaging a $500-$1,000+ rifle.
One KB, and any and al savings I might have made over the years would be negated.

So I stopped....however, with Tulammo .308 I have been there 2 separate times when something went very much wrong and the gun made a biger boom. The kind where the mag blew out but at least the receiver itself wasn't heavily damaged. One was a Century CETME, which i originally blamed on the gun rather than ammo, and the second was an Imbel FAL, which I definitely blame the ammo for since that rifle had already had about 500 rds of good ammo through w/o issue. Also after it was repaired, it has continued to fire (good) ammo just fine. Only with Tula did it have explosive diria.

So...for years now, I've just avoided the stuff. And I am the guy who likes running steel cased Wolf or Silver Bear through my Tavor and even SG551...just to make the internet cringe! hehehe
Damn Misha. I've never had a squib, kaboom, or split case with Tula x39 but you are making me think pretty hard about it. I've actually had more trouble out of gt with primers set too deep. I'll have to be extra vigilant when loading mags with Tula from now on. Thanks buddy, it's gonna take forever now. Hehe.
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I suppose it would be good general practice to inspect all of our ammo for obvious signs of defects rather than simply stuffing our mags.

Guess my ammo will be loose or on clips now.
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I am sure I just got a bad case/batch...probably a fluke and nothing more.

But why risk it? I use Wolf and Silver Bear mostly...really haven't done much with GT.
Seems like for a time GT was thought to be the besterous stuff ever, but more recently some issues have been pointed out.
So I stick with what has always worked for me.

Remember years back when some of the 'non-corrosive' X39 was definitely corrosive? Hell what a mess.
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:28 PM   #118
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M70AB2 FTW!!!

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Still nothing from the OP and his "friend," ey?
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:12 PM   #120
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I am just as curious as everyone else here to find out what happened here. Like I have said multiple times in this thread before, I WILL get pictures when I see this guy again in a few days, I'll even try and get some video too. I give my word.

Sorry dudes but I cant just put my life on hold to drive 3 cities over at the jump of a hat, for a forum. not to mention my friend works full time w/ a family aswell so I cannot just walk next door and take pics. It's the Holidays and people are busy.

This is all the info I know so far.
1. Tula Ammo fmj was what was used.
2. Rifle is destroyed, in his words "the gun is toast, it's blown up"
3. He was cut on the head. (nothing serious)

Like I stated in the OP, this guy is not a real "Gun Guy". he's a good guy just not as educated about firearms as most people on this forum. For example he probably doesn't know what an AK74 is, or understand that every AK isn't "Russian". So with that being said it's very possible if there was something wrong with his gun he probably wouldn't realize it... i.e. experiencing a squib or a round not fully seated and just he just pull the trigger again. That's why I couldn't get much info from him besides "it blew up in my face", He doesn't really know anything about AKs

And for the record I am not trying to bash m70ab2's at all... I like the rifles. When I owned this gun I never had any problems at all and it was as solid as a tank.

And for the people saying im hiding something or that this is a fabricated hoax, give me a break guys lol what would I have to gain from this at all? seriously?
Hope you remind your buddy it isn't a "Russian" AK and that his one experience should not be indicative that all AK's are like this.
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Like what? Firing 8,000+ rounds w/o issue before having its first malf?
You're right, 'AK's like the RAS47 can do the same thing at less than half that round count hehe.
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Hope you remind your buddy it isn't a "Russian" AK and that his one experience should not be indicative that all AK's are like this.


if you plug the bbl on any gun it will blow up ion your face .

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Like what? Firing 8,000+ rounds w/o issue before having its first malf?
You're right, 'AK's like the RAS47 can do the same thing at less than half that round count hehe.
I know right..

no Actual info in this thread indicates that a defect of the rifle caused this

& yet still not one single "Pic" of the rifle's condition after this "Catastrophic failure"
or any details on the ammo, bolt or chamber

maybe a few more weeks we can make a New Yr's resolution about it..
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Like what? Firing 8,000+ rounds w/o issue before having its first malf?
You're right, 'AK's like the RAS47 can do the same thing at less than half that round count hehe.
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if you plug the bbl on any gun it will blow up ion your face .



I know right..

no Actual info in this thread indicates that a defect of the rifle caused this

& yet still not one single "Pic" of the rifle's condition after this "Catastrophic failure"
or any details on the ammo, bolt or chamber

maybe a few more weeks we can make a New Yr's resolution about it..
You are ignoring the blabbering morons out there who don't know shit about guns who use negative experiences like this to bad mouth any gun including the AK including the OP's friend who he admitted isn't a gun guy that doesn't know shit about AK's. The AK already gets the most hate cause its "foreign", "inaccurate", "not ergonomic", and now the new one "overpriced".

How long will it be for his friend starts blabbing online how shitty AK's are based on his one experience with them? There are people out there like that.
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You are ignoring the blabbering morons out there who don't know shit about guns who use negative experiences like this to bad mouth any gun including the AK including the OP's friend who he admitted isn't a gun guy that doesn't know shit about AK's. The AK already gets the most hate cause its "foreign", "inaccurate", "not ergonomic", and now the new one "overpriced".

How long will it be for his friend starts blabbing online how shitty AK's are based on his one experience with them? There are people out there like that.
Who cares if John Q. Public or Fudd D. Nogoodnik thinks AK's are junk? Is this really a bad thing?
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So still NO updates on this claim yet?
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Hard to believe there are no pix available. Also hard to believe OP had any reason to make up the story. Hey OP: are/were you on the akforum under a different name, you writing style and story sound familiar...
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Da Fuq!
After this story I guess I'll just take a hack saw to my M70AB2...

NOT!!!!!
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This thread is as useful as people on welfare.

Thanks dopie op
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It's almost like it was set up...

And since he sustained an injury from it something tells me a lawsuit against century is on the way shortly...

It makes me wonder about his leg, was it an injury that resulted in a lawsuit?
if someone wanted to sue century there is plenty of ras-47 time bombs out there that only require 4000 rounds to kaboom , but agree the circumstance of this vid are a little weird, i'm going to say some kind of barrel obstruction
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M70AB2 FTW!!!
Got any more pics???????

More AB2 porn please!!!!!
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So I was looking at my barrel pin. I was starting to think it was egging because my ab2 has the barrel pin more on one side than the other. I just had dirt and grease in there that made it look like it was egging. The uncentered barrel pin annoys me though.


How did you get that ab2 on the left that Arsenal, Vepr, mp5 Black?
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If part of a case was broken off in the chamber, that round may not have been fully locked by the bolt but the bolt closed enough to allow it to fire.

Inspect the chamber.

Maybe a bullet in the barrel.
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Absent follow up pictures, the original HD video, and additional information, my guess is that it was an ammunition related failure.
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It looks like the bullet exited the barrel long after the receiver cover blew off.
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Filming was from a perfect vantage point to catch this. Almost appeared the camera was on a tripod. Yet when the cover flies off "unexpectedly" the camera is rock stead for a few seconds. Until the shooter clears his stance, wipes his face and walks toward camera guy at which time camera follows his movements.

Looks the camera guy knew and was prepared for what happened - staged.

Or that's how it looks anyway. I wasn't there and hate to be judgmental...
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The video is too grainy to show much, but the audio clearly exhibits 2 separate reports; the first being the ignition of the round, followed by the distinctly delayed sound of the rifle being blown apart.

I don't believe we're seeing an event caused by the rifle, but rather something due to bad ammunition, perhaps by the previous round causing an obstructed barrel or chamber.

Quality video of the previous round being fired would be very telling.

There certainly appeared to be two separate events according to the audio.
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I think at this point it doesn't matter. Also it seems the OP has either lost interest himself or has learned new info that he can't/doesn't want to share online.
In 2017, with smart phones and laptops and HD video cameras everywhere; no way he couldn't have obtained at least some new evidence by now if he was even trying a little bit.

Oh well, it'll just go down in history as one of those mysteries.
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I love mine. It's very accurate with the green mountain barrel it shoots as well as any good rack grade AR. The action is smooth and the gun seems to be put together much better than you would expect for the $600 I payed for it. The stock is tight and has no slop like many UF's do. There's just something about it and the way it interfaces with me as a shooter that makes it one of most fun to shoot guns I have. My only complaint is that I wish I'd have bought two. Great AK, love it.





M70AB2 @ 100 yards with PMC bronze brass ammo
6 rnds in the center diamond 4 on all the rest
Three of those groups are between 1.2-1.5 moa from a $600 AK firing cheap brass non match ammo, I love this gun


Windham AR15 at 100 yards firing the same PMC bronze ammo but in 223, shooting about the same as the AB2
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I love mine. It's very accurate with the green mountain barrel it shoots as well as any good rack grade AR. The action is smooth and the gun seems to be put together much better than you would expect for the $600 I payed for it. The stock is tight and has no slop like many UF's do. There's just something about it and the way it interfaces with me as a shooter that makes it one of most fun to shoot guns I have. My only complaint is that I wish I'd have bought two. Great AK, love it.





M70AB2 @ 100 yards with PMC bronze brass ammo
6 rnds in the center diamond 4 on all the rest
Three of those groups are between 1.2-1.5 moa from a $600 AK firing cheap brass non match ammo, I love this gun


Windham AR15 at 100 yards firing the same PMC bronze ammo but in 223, shooting about the same as the AB2

That's a very nice looking rifle and some good shooting too.
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That's a very nice looking rifle and some good shooting too.
Thank you.
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