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Old 11-27-2017, 12:37 PM   #1
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Default 22LR AR: Dedicated, Dedicated Upper, Conversion BCG?

Which do you prefer for a 22LR AR and why?
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:20 PM   #2
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I just went through this ordeal. Ended up with a dedicated upper that I am going to build a dedicated lower for.

I got one of the PSA Dedicated uppers like this on that is out of stock now.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516446935.html

I picked up some el cheapo mags from CDNN and mounted a Magpul backup sight on it. I have only had it out once but I was impressed with the accuracy of the thing. Below is a copy of the review I post on it over on FalFiles.

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I went a head and ordered one of the PSA dedicated uppers. It was advertised as using the BlackDog Machine mags, but they were out of stock. After looking at the pictures on BlackDog's websight and comparing a few others that I could find. I decided to take a chance on one of the cheap ones that CDNN has for $8.99 I got lucky and they work with the PSA upper.


The unit outside of the upper.


The Barrel stub in the receiver.


I put a MagPul backup rear sight on it that I had laying around my office.


Took it out this weekend and tried it out. Had a couple of hiccups with the ammo that might have been ammo related but for the most part it worked fine. I shot a 5 shot group and made a sight adjustment. Went through the rest of the only box of 22Lr I brought with me plinking at shotgun disks from about 40 yards. I shot this last group just so I would have something to show.


All in all I am pretty happy with it. It gives me something that the wife and daughters can use to workup to the real thing. Learn the fundamentals of the manual of arms and how to shoot. As a recreational shooter the thing is just fun and surprisingly accurate.

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I hope that helps. I am pretty happy with it. I am taking it out again tomorrow.


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Old 11-27-2017, 06:02 PM   #3
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Dedicated upper because you can get the twist rate and barrel length you want for 22lr.
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If you're shopping now, Colt/Walther rifles are on sale over at CDNN.
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One thing I read about the conversion kit is that over time the lead from the .22 projectile will clog up the gas port if you didn't clean it properly.
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Depends on what you want to do. I went dedicated for the correct barrel twist (read accuracy), because I use it for small game too. If you want to shoot 6" targets at 25yds or closer just for cheap practice or popping cans for fun then a conversion kit maybe the way to go. for cost efficiency. However, for conversions kits you definitely need to run some centerfire rds to help keep the gas port & tube clear of lead. Now that the PSA Dedicated uppers can be had I would seriously consider them if you want to stick to the AR platform...if not then just get a 10/22. 10/22s have been around for a long time and as popular as they are for a reason.
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S&W 15/22 and be done with it, can be had used for $250-275.
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S&W 15/22 and be done with it, can be had used for $250-275.
They really are great plinkers. Mine works great even with subs if I keep it clean enough. It is a great suppressor host.
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It depends, if your AR sucks and is a cheap POS with shit accessories and poor mans optics that neither you nor anyone else really wants to shoot then just buy a dedicated upper. However if you put together a nice AR it makes more sense to get as much use out it as possible with the conversion kit. You can see where the rest of crowd on AK files stands. Man these guys must have some sweet AR's to want to use a plastic M&P22 intead.

Accuracy is about the same either way at 50 yards even 1/7 barrels are capable of minute of squirrel or pie plate with bulk and with target ammo 1"-1.5" 20 round groups at 50 yards are possible. Most ppl have never actually gone out and shot 22lr conversion kits for accuracy and they just repeat whatever they've been told like idiots. I say dedicated uppers are a waste.
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I just went through this ordeal. Ended up with a dedicated upper that I am going to build a dedicated lower for.

I got one of the PSA Dedicated uppers like this on that is out of stock now.

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This looks like it may be the best option for my situation. Thanks for the info and thanks for the opinions everyone.
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This looks like it may be the best option for my situation. Thanks for the info and thanks for the opinions everyone.

I see on your profile that your in TX. If your coming out to the Central TX shoot in Jan I can bring the upper out and you can give it a try if you like?

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One thing I read about the conversion kit is that over time the lead from the .22 projectile will clog up the gas port if you didn't clean it properly.
Not only that, you are firing a round smaller than the 5.56 counterpart. Think using .308 projectiles in an SKS/AK barrel. Sure, it works, however .002-.003" means the bullet isn't engaging the rifling fully.
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Not only that, you are firing a round smaller than the 5.56 counterpart. Think using .308 projectiles in an SKS/AK barrel. Sure, it works, however .002-.003" means the bullet isn't engaging the rifling fully.
.22 ammo is concave on the base like a minie ball so it will expand to the barrel diameter. I use a M261 Army .22 conversion and it is very accurate to 75 yards in my 1/9 twist barrel.
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I would suggest on getting a rifle instead. I went threw the whole ordeal about 2 years back, get a upper or get a 22 AR.
I went with option 3, i went ahead and picked up a HKMP5 A5 22. Best dammed $400 i ever spent on a gun. The same gun can now be had for $300 when onsale at CDNN. Anybody whos ever shot it loves it.
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One thing I read about the conversion kit is that over time the lead from the .22 projectile will clog up the gas port if you didn't clean it properly.
Yep you have to clean after firing 22lr but I just see that as extra effort required and not as a deterrent.
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Not only that, you are firing a round smaller than the 5.56 counterpart. Think using .308 projectiles in an SKS/AK barrel. Sure, it works, however .002-.003" means the bullet isn't engaging the rifling fully.
And yet it doesn't seem to matter enough to effect bullet stability or accuracy. Wolf 6.5 Grendel ammo is 0.262 rather than 0.264 and no one seems to have an issue there even with a much higher pressure and faster round. 0.002-0.003" is a very small amount and isn't enough to keep the bullet from engaging the rifling.

Groups with more than one type of ammo was shot onto the same target but I think you can figure out which groups being referred to. Looks to be engaging the rifling to me, what do you think is it not engaging the rifling or could it be that you're just repeating what others have told you???

50 yards 20 rounds 1/7 barrel expensive ammo



50 yards 1/9 barrel same expensive ammo



50 yards 20 rounds 1/9 barrel cheap but good Norma ammo I found on sale at Cabelas for $0.06/cpr a couple weeks ago


50 yards 20 rounds Winchester bulk 1/9 barrel



Not only is it engaging the rifling but it shoots far more accurately than I'll ever need it to for anything I'll use 22lr for. Also there isn't much difference between the 1/7 and the 1/9.

22plinkster had good results with his it also seems to be engaging the rifling, lol.

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Conversion does everything a dexicatex will plus it can still run a real catridge (556). And that is bs about clogging the gas port. The very high pressure from shooting 556 will clean out gas port. Maybe if you shot 10s of thousands of 22 with no 556 in between... maybe.
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Why not just buy a M&p 15-22?

They are under 300 bucks and pure fun. I have only put 500 rounds through mine but never had one single issue, used Federal and CCI ammo. To be honest shooting those 500 rounds was some of the most fun I had in a long time. The only problem is it takes longer to load the damn thing then to shoot it. I only have 1 magazine lmao.
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And yet it doesn't seem to matter enough to effect bullet stability or accuracy. Wolf 6.5 Grendel ammo is 0.262 rather than 0.264 and no one seems to have an issue there even with a much higher pressure and faster round. 0.002-0.003" is a very small amount and isn't enough to keep the bullet from engaging the rifling.

Groups with more than one type of ammo was shot onto the same target but I think you can figure out which groups being referred to. Looks to be engaging the rifling to me, what do you think is it not engaging the rifling or could it be that you're just repeating what others have told you???

50 yards 20 rounds 1/7 barrel expensive ammo



50 yards 1/9 barrel same expensive ammo



50 yards 20 rounds 1/9 barrel cheap but good Norma ammo I found on sale at Cabelas for $0.06/cpr a couple weeks ago


50 yards 20 rounds Winchester bulk 1/9 barrel



Not only is it engaging the rifling but it shoots far more accurately than I'll ever need it to for anything I'll use 22lr for. Also there isn't much difference between the 1/7 and the 1/9.

22plinkster had good results with his it also seems to be engaging the rifling, lol.

I have one of those CMMG kits and xtra mags that I have never used. Need to get it out I can see.
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Conversion kits are the way to go it's asinine to spend all that cash to put together a nice AR15 and then shelve it for a dedicated 22lr which usually has low cost accessories in comparison. Why you guys are willing to shoot with ultra basic dedicated uppers and all plastic M&P guns which can flex and effect accuracy when you have much better centerfire guns you could convert for less $$ is beyond me. Dedicated guns don't give you the chance to gain practice with and especially enjoy your exact set up that you paid good money for that's on your centerfire gun which is in most/all cases nicer such as the optic, BUIS, rail, flashlight, stock, trigger, grip, etc.

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I have one of those CMMG kits and xtra mags that I have never used. Need to get it out I can see.
You do I've been pleasantly surprised by mine, so much that I bought two more. They're quite reliable mine eats whatever I feed including it all major bands of bulk or anything else I've shot, it's lots of fun, cheap, and accuracy is good.

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Conversion does everything a dexicatex will plus it can still run a real catridge (556). And that is bs about clogging the gas port. The very high pressure from shooting 556 will clean out gas port. Maybe if you shot 10s of thousands of 22 with no 556 in between... maybe.
Yes centerfire rounds dump something like 30,000 psi into the gas system at very high temps. Any carbon that's in there from 22lr will quickly be blown out by touching off a few rounds of centerfire.
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Thanks for the info. I picked up a CMMG bravo kit from Midway on BF. I was going to return it, but now will be taking it out tomorrow to go play.
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It may be just me, but I'd just get a gun made to be .22lr, like a 10/22.

I don't like guns that look the part, yet shoot .22lr. Sure it is cheaper, but .223 is cheap enough to feed a big boy gun a proper diet.
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Thanks for the info. I picked up a CMMG bravo kit from Midway on BF. I was going to return it, but now will be taking it out tomorrow to go play.
Shoot it I think they're one of the greatest AR accessories avail. Especially since you live in the west and have access to BLM land and NV has some of coolest public lands to shot on which are a paradise for a gun enthusiasts. Shooting on public lands gives you the ability to do things you can't at a range and practice things that recoil really isn't needed for. You can have lot of fun with these and get some good training especially if you own or can makeshift a target system.
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It may be just me, but I'd just get a gun made to be .22lr, like a 10/22.

I don't like guns that look the part, yet shoot .22lr. Sure it is cheaper, but .223 is cheap enough to feed a big boy gun a proper diet.


Well ok suit yourself but I bet if I brought out my steel targets and set up a run and gun course at some cool area on public land during the day or night and invited you that you wouldn't turn down the invite. I have a shit load of fun with mine for dirt cheap.
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It depends, if your AR sucks and is a cheap POS with shit accessories and poor mans optics that neither you nor anyone else really wants to shoot then just buy a dedicated upper. However if you put together a nice AR it makes more sense to get as much use out it as possible with the conversion kit. You can see where the rest of crowd on AK files stands. Man these guys must have some sweet AR's to want to use a plastic M&P22 intead.

Accuracy is about the same either way at 50 yards even 1/7 barrels are capable of minute of squirrel or pie plate with bulk and with target ammo 1"-1.5" 20 round groups at 50 yards are possible. Most ppl have never actually gone out and shot 22lr conversion kits for accuracy and they just repeat whatever they've been told like idiots. I say dedicated uppers are a waste.
Who owns a "nice" AR and can't afford to feed it a steady diet of cheap 5.56?

I don't own an AR (sweet or otherwise) but I would prefer to have separate weapons over a conversion kit.

If someone is REALLY that concerned about training they could set the .22LR version up as an exact copy of their 5.56 rifle.
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I went through this 4 years ago. Decided to go with the M&P 15-22. A functioning last shot bolt hold open feature was a must. But the accuracy of the M&P was disappointing compared to my 10-22 Target model.
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Who owns a "nice" AR and can't afford to feed it a steady diet of cheap 5.56?

I don't own an AR (sweet or otherwise) but I would prefer to have separate weapons over a conversion kit.

If someone is REALLY that concerned about training they could set the .22LR version up as an exact copy of their 5.56 rifle.
I'll just refer you to the same thing I told grand in post 26. Don't know what you're missing. Night time NVG (and daytime too) 22lr run and guns are fun as hell and the fact that it costs next to nothing only adds to the fun.

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I'll just refer you to the same thing I told grand in post 26. Don't know what you're missing. Night time NVG (and daytime too) 22lr run and guns are fun as hell and the fact that it costs next to nothing only adds to the fun.
And they can be done just as well with a dedicated .22 rifle.

Plus either way you aren't getting full training on the weapon as the flash (especially through NVGs) and recoil are not the same between .22 and 5.56. So if you are just goofing off shooting 2 or 3 MOA then any rifle will do.

As to "not knowing"...I did plenty of "fun" with an M16 while in the Marines.
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I've had great success with a Chiappa upper and a complete Chiappa gun.
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And they can be done just as well with a dedicated .22 rifle.

Plus either way you aren't getting full training on the weapon as the flash (especially through NVGs) and recoil are not the same between .22 and 5.56. So if you are just goofing off shooting 2 or 3 MOA then any rifle will do.

As to "not knowing"...I did plenty of "fun" with an M16 while in the Marines.
Meh don't care about that, it's fun as hell anyway.
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My .22lr AR started out as a CMMG conversion kit, but i ended up building a whole dedicated .22 AR pistol with a proper twist barrel.
It's probably my favorite shooter right now. Accurate and extremely reliable, the 10/22s are collecting dust. Seems to handle all the extra crud blown back from the suppressor quite well.
Not cheap though, got about $1,200 in it. Which is about twice as much as any other AR I have.

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Why not just buy a M&p 15-22?

They are under 300 bucks and pure fun. I have only put 500 rounds through mine but never had one single issue, used Federal and CCI ammo. To be honest shooting those 500 rounds was some of the most fun I had in a long time. The only problem is it takes longer to load the damn thing then to shoot it. I only have 1 magazine lmao.
I agree, I have probably 2k rounds through mine and it just goes, I bought 4 extra 25 rounders for it just for not having to load as much.


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I like to convert mine, no plans of building 22lr clones of them.



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