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Old 12-08-2017, 06:40 PM   #1
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Default Stamped Vietnam bringback on Gunbroker

There is a registered Vietnam bringback Type 56 on Gunbroker, and this one is unusual in that it's stamped, not milled. I have never seen a stamped Nam bringback before, this is a first for me.
It is a reweld unfortunately, so all things considered I think it'd make more sense to get a Poly or Norinco conversion, but its still very cool to see an original Vietnam stamped bringback rifle.
Have you guys ever seen a stamped Vietnam bringback that wasn't chopped up?

This is NOT my rifle (unfortunately haha), I don't know whether posting a link to the listing is alright. So I'll just post this picture:

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If it's a "bring back", why would it be a re-weld?
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Apparently, it was brought back illegally, cut, then re-welded when it was registered. It was brought back after 1968, and most bringback AK's were illegally "imported."
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If it's a "bring back", why would it be a re-weld?
it would have been a mg iím sure.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:17 PM   #5
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It's been on there for a little while. Really cool and super rare example, first stamped bringback I've ever seen.

It was single saw cut through the magwell in Vietnam and brought over as a kit. Then it was welded back together and registered in '68 so it would be legit. I'm guessing the guy who brought it back couldn't/didn't want to bring back a complete rifle.

It is a very early stamped variant, likely among the first. Notice it doesn't have mag well dimples? I was thinking that for $40k there would be better photos but oh well...

Here's the link: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/722055420
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No dimples? Thing just looks funny
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Carrier don't look chinese
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Wants $42,500 for rifle...

Posts three photos.
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:30 PM   #9
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I wonder who was rewelding AKs back in the late 1960s, and just how good of a job they were able to make of it?
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This is NOT my rifle (unfortunately haha), I don't know whether posting a link to the listing is alright. So I'll just post this picture:
In our discussion areas, you can post to anything you like, so long as it's not listed in the forum rules.

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Old 12-08-2017, 11:25 PM   #11
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Wants $42,500 for rifle...

Posts three photos.
Too many you think?
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Old 12-09-2017, 12:27 AM   #12
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With 3 photos, you might as well be shopping like I do.

But to be fair, I did just get in an SLR-100h that I am quite happy with, so i guess it does usually work out for me fine.

In related news, this weekend is dremmal time! I need to install a rear sling swivel on this critter.
And while I am doing it to one Hungarian gun, I am going to finally install the same part on another; my TGI FEG AMD65.
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$40k for an FA chicom.

Third world countries are laughing at us
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$40k for an FA chicom.

Third world countries are laughing at us
But glass half full, other first world countries are wishing they were us. Owning and shooting a full auto AK is just a dream in a lot of places regardless of the amount of money you have to spend.
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$40k for an FA chicom.

Third world countries are laughing at us
Well considering we have clean water into our homes, food, electricity, stability, no.random landfills or plague swamps in front of shanty huts...... I'd rather deal with the 40k AK.
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You've never visited rural Arkansas have you?
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If it's a "bring back", why would it be a re-weld?
Because being chopped up meant it fit into a duffle bag or discrete transportation a lot easier.

There have been a few bring-backs that were later rewelded.
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If it was cut in half in Vietnam and brought back it was smuggled in somehow.

If it was smuggled, why bother cutting it in half? Disassembled Its small enough to fit in a duffle bag. You get caught with it you're going to jail either way. You won't get half the prison sentence for half a rifle.

You could not bring back an automatic, or semi automatic weapon in any condition, even if rendered unusable. Neither could you bring back any parts of an automatic or semi automatic weapon.

I know because I had an SKS that I wanted to bring back and had a maintenance guy willing to weld it all up so it could never be fired. I just wanted it as a wall hanger souvenir. No go. I left, it stayed.

The only thing you could get bring back permission for was a bolt action rifle and they were actually pretty scarce.

For the kind of money asked for that re-welded weapon I'd sure need ironclad, absolute proof of its provenance and it would have to have been Uncle Ho's personal weapon.

You have to be careful with this stuff. Sometimes these claims are BS.

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Old 12-10-2017, 02:58 AM   #20
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Bring back FA Rifle from war, unregisterable, illegal and needs to be hidden.

Cut gun in half, smuggle it in, apply for a form 1, zap halves back together, whammo you've got yourself a legal FA "bring back"

Can't 'build' yourself an NFA weapon if it's in one operable piece can you? The reweld story may be bunk even, could be a never welded, never cut bring back. repeal hughes
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If it was cut in half in Vietnam and brought back it was smuggled in somehow.

If it was smuggled, why bother cutting it in half? Disassembled Its small enough to fit in a duffle bag. You get caught with it you're going to jail either way. You won't get half the prison sentence for half a rifle.

You could not bring back an automatic, or semi automatic weapon in any condition, even if rendered unusable. Neither could you bring back any parts of an automatic or semi automatic weapon.

I know because I had an SKS that I wanted to bring back and had a maintenance guy willing to weld it all up so it could never be fired. I just wanted it as a wall hanger souvenir. No go. I left, it stayed.

The only thing you could get bring back permission for was a bolt action rifle and they were actually pretty scarce.

For the kind of money asked for that re-welded weapon I'd sure need ironclad, absolute proof of its provenance and it would have to have been Uncle Ho's personal weapon.

You have to be careful with this stuff. Sometimes these claims are BS.
Uh... Now, you were there, and I wasn't, so you may know more than I do, but I've seen plenty of well documented legal bring backs of functioning SKSs.
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Probably unit specific rules. Yes, in general you could bring back semi-auto's in Vietnam. My Uncle had captured a SKS and had turned it in to the quartermaster who kept it until time to muster out. Only when he did, some officer had already claimed it. He did two tours, one early with 1st Calvary and one in '67-'68 with First Infantry. He's gone now (cancer from Agent Orange Exposure) so I can't ask him which tour it was

Now he had a gun smuggled TO him. He wanted a .45 but was not issued one. My Aunt sent him a Llama .45 in pieces thru the mail. Different times back then though I'm most certain both of them would have gotten in deep kimchi if they got caught.

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U.S. servicemembers were not universally restricted from bringing back firearms until Desert Storm.

Prior to that, it was up to the local commander's discretion.

Prior to 1968, servicemembers could bring back select fire arms ( again, at the commander's discretion )
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Can anyone make out the first 2 numbers of the serial number?
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The bolt-carrier is not Chinese, its an AKM bolt carrier. Id like to see better pics
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Isn't the seller implying this is a transitional rifle from milled to stamped? Maybe dimples weren't on such rifles?

Some Albanian AKs don't have dimples - and they got their tooling from the Chicoms.
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Many semi auto SKS rifles were legally brought back from Vietnam,

Up until the mid 1980's (1986) it was legal to convert semi auto to full by a properly licensed FFL holder. Also dewat full auto firearms could be remanufactured to full auto under the regulations.
Assuming the weapon is already on the Title II Registry it is evidently OK. Dunno?
That would have to be certified by the seller etc.

The provenance of many weapons is unknown and the details of import prior to 1968 were., no import markings needed.
While full auto firearm imports were allowed., they were restricted and subject to required paperwork etc.

Dunno the story on this firearm.
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Pretty funny that the pictures are screenshots taken with a cellphone.
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Uh... Now, you were there, and I wasn't, so you may know more than I do, but I've seen plenty of well documented legal bring backs of functioning SKSs.
You know, you are right. I remember now seeing one for sale at a gun show years ago and wondered how the guy got permission to bring it back. It had the paperwork with it. I forgot about that.

I was told no, in no uncertain terms. That was June of 1968.

As a matter of fact when we started to get on the plane to go home an MP stopped the guy in front of me that had a North Vietnamese steel pot NVA helmet. It had a big red star on the front and leather lining. Not your every day NVA helmet The MP wasn't going to let him take it with him because it was "military equipment". The guy said he picked it up on the Ho Chi Minh trail and if it couldn't get on the plane he wouldn't either. The MP let him and his helmet get on.

It probably depended on who you were and where you were. In my case, I maybe wasn't high enough on the chain of command.
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You know, you are right. I remember now seeing one for sale at a gun show years ago and wondered how the guy got permission to bring it back. It had the paperwork with it. I forgot about that.

I was told no, in no uncertain terms. That was June of 1968.

As a matter of fact when we started to get on the plane to go home an MP stopped the guy in front of me that had a North Vietnamese steel pot NVA helmet. It had a big red star on the front and leather lining. Not your every day NVA helmet The MP wasn't going to let him take it with him because it was "military equipment". The guy said he picked it up on the Ho Chi Minh trail and if it couldn't get on the plane he wouldn't either. The MP let him and his helmet get on.

It probably depended on who you were and where you were. In my case, I maybe wasn't high enough on the chain of command.
Unfortunately that sounds like to case. Too many dicks hordeing all the goodies for themselves, not letting the guys who actually captured the gear keep it
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I don't know, but something smells a bit funny regarding this Chinese Type 56...if not a lot of red flags, then at least orange.
Doesn't matter to me since no way would I or could I ever buy it anyway.


I own a bringback TT33 pistol and know of others from VN with paperwork. Many other pistols and rifles came backt oo.
Also a good number of VZ52s from Grenada.
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Many semi auto SKS rifles were legally brought back from Vietnam,

Up until the mid 1980's (1986) it was legal to convert semi auto to full by a properly licensed FFL holder. Also dewat full auto firearms could be remanufactured to full auto under the regulations.
An individual with an approved form 1 could also make or convert a semi into a machine gun before Hughes passed in 1986.
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For the kind of money asked for that re-welded weapon I'd sure need ironclad, absolute proof of its provenance and it would have to have been Uncle Ho's personal weapon.

You have to be careful with this stuff. Sometimes these claims are BS.
Haha, you got that right!
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Pretty funny that the pictures are screenshots taken with a cellphone.
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Every time iv ever taken a photo of my desk top screen it looks just like that
You'd think something this spendy he'd have his shit together .... better and more photos.
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The auction closed with no bids.
The seller states it is a pre 1986 paperef Title II
Firearm.
At that price the paperwork will likely b e in orfer etc.
Though it states duffelbag bringback so I suppose no military bringback paperwork.
That is a negative
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