What’s up with everyones excitement about Maadi?

[Machak_Silver]

Originally Posted by spicusor

Would love to see what the newer production Chinese Type 56 AK's look like.

Here is a video with A LOT of newer production Type 56-2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBl447wkrdg

Quadrails are aftermarket, but there are a lot of stock AKs in this video.

[spicusor]

Thanks for the link Machak!

[WinterWar]

Originally Posted by Tankboy

^ What year is your maadi and does it have the Y stamp?

Has Y, not sure of the year, it's in different gun safe and don't have access right now.

[mishaco]

Winterwar, it has often been said that Egypt obtained the wood for Maadi MISR/ARM furniture from Finland.
I will say it does seem very similar to the type on the Valmet sporters sent over here.

Question: MISR vs. ARM, how are military issued Maadi AK rifles rollmarked?

[csphar54r]

Good thread, thanks to all that have posted.

[spicusor]

Originally Posted by WinterWar

Has Y, not sure of the year, it's in different gun safe and don't have access right now.

I think Tankboy was asking if it has the extra "y" as all models have one but few have the extra "y".

[spicusor]

My Intrac Maadi is is one of the best AKM's I own. I would put it up against any Arsenal anyday. Maadi quality differs from importer to importer.

It seems we have this thread every other week.

[spicusor]

Also, I dont think Factory 54 exist anymore so Maadi stuff may become more scarce as time goes on.

[rsekerka73]

I have 4, all century builds, one misr10 and 3 S/As. 10 years never no issues. They may no be pretty. But by far bottom of the barrel.

[mishaco]

OK, again, Century did not build the various MISRs....except for the MISR90.

Original MISR from 1997 was just like a late PARS import from all I've seen.
MISR-10 from 1998 was a 'low-cap' version that took single stack steel mags. Otherwise, same as MISR including thumbhole stock.
MISR S/A was a 922(r) compliant version from 1999, which featured a military buttstock and US mfg pistol grip. Other US parts were the FCG and gas piston. Since these were imported and 922'd during the Fed. AWB, they still lacked the bayo lug and threaded muzzle, but did at least take standard double stack magazines again.

All of those came over from Egypt as working guns to one degree or other.

The MISR90 was a mutt that Century slapped together using receivers imported from Egypt and Chinese parts kits created when several MAK90s were caught in customs in 1994 and had to be cut up.

I agree, aside from the Steyr preban, the Intrac ARM is the best Maadi import. These often retained 14x1 muzzle threads and even the detent pin in the front sight base. Also, they were pretty lazy about cutting off the bayo lug, and only removed the little side wings..and even then usually leaving a bit of a lip/ledge. They are far less neutered than say a MAK90 or SA 85m.

Really, the only physical difference between an Intrac and a Steyr is the cut bayo lug, which is pretty easy to fix with either a new gas block or even easier, a welder + some black paint.
Of course the thumbhole rather than normal stock too, but today many Intracs were converted over a long time ago anyway.

That and of course Intrac = $800-$900 and Steyr = $2,500-$3,000 lol.

[Worm]

Originally Posted by spicusor

I think Tankboy was asking if it has the extra "y" as all models have one but few have the extra "y".

My old RPM had the extra Y

[spicusor]

Originally Posted by mishaco

OK, again, Century did not build the various MISRs....except for the MISR90.

Original MISR from 1997 was just like a late PARS import from all I've seen.
MISR-10 from 1998 was a 'low-cap' version that took single stack steel mags. Otherwise, same as MISR including thumbhole stock.
MISR S/A was a 922(r) compliant version from 1999, which featured a military buttstock and US mfg pistol grip. Other US parts were the FCG and gas piston. Since these were imported and 922'd during the Fed. AWB, they still lacked the bayo lug and threaded muzzle, but did at least take standard double stack magazines again.

All of those came over from Egypt as working guns to one degree or other.

The MISR90 was a mutt that Century slapped together using receivers imported from Egypt and Chinese parts kits created when several MAK90s were caught in customs in 1994 and had to be cut up.

I agree, aside from the Steyr preban, the Intrac ARM is the best Maadi import. These often retained 14x1 muzzle threads and even the detent pin in the front sight base. Also, they were pretty lazy about cutting off the bayo lug, and only removed the little side wings..and even then usually leaving a bit of a lip/ledge. They are far less neutered than say a MAK90 or SA 85m.

Really, the only physical difference between an Intrac and a Steyr is the cut bayo lug, which is pretty easy to fix with either a new gas block or even easier, a welder + some black paint.
Of course the thumbhole rather than normal stock too, but today many Intracs were converted over a long time ago anyway.

That and of course Intrac = $800-$900 and Steyr = $2,500-$3,000 lol.

Good info but I think the MISR-10 came with a NATO stock as lo-cap guns were not subject to 922r at the time.

[mishaco]

Nope, MISR-10 came with the same thumbhole.

The '89 import ban is what stopped guns from coming in with pistol grip, bayo lug, threaded barrel/removable device, flash hider, etc. It did not prohibit the guns from taking standard (high-cap military) magazines.
The rules were amended in early 1998, to add the ability to take magazines over 10 rounds to the list of prohibited features.

So as imported, guns had to have modified magwells to take special 10 rd or less mags.

[Tankboy]

Originally Posted by WinterWar

Has Y, not sure of the year, it's in different gun safe and don't have access right now.

Ok nice, yeah if it has the Y stamp I wouldn't get rid of it and if you do let me know.

[mishaco]

With your MISR-10, how is the FCG and pistol grip marked?

[Twolffe]

Nothing wrong with MAADI they are one of the original imported big 3

[rudyod]

Originally Posted by Idratherbapickle

And I shall carry it through the streets of Napal with forthright to find unmarked cases of Boton rice candy. If I could have only gotten that damn thing two clicks to the left on Ramadan, I could be with my elders. Oh well, one more year of dying my pubis red.

LMAO!!!

[mishaco]

I enjoy that this thread now contains dyed pubes.

[GuidoFL]

The big thing about the Madi interests is ................. herd instinct ! I had a Madi years ago and never did consider it anything special. I'll take a WASR 10 any day over a Madi. But my Saiga's............. never !

[Tankboy]

Many people owning and generally having good experiences with maadis for decades = herd instinct...Ok, lol.

[4mula]

Originally Posted by Tankboy

Aside from fit and finish Maadis reputation in the US has always been positive.

Disagree with you. I remember the Maadi's being known as the biggest piece of shit AK since the early 90s or so.

[Alias]

Originally Posted by spicusor

Also, I dont think Factory 54 exist anymore so Maadi stuff may become more scarce as time goes on.

Factory 54 is alive and kicking. Whether or not they still produce the AKM, I have no idea.

https://dailynewsegypt.com/2017/08/1...cycling-plant/

[Scott7891]

Originally Posted by mishaco

MISR S/A was a 922(r) compliant version from 1999, which featured a military buttstock and US mfg pistol grip. Other US parts were the FCG and gas piston. Since these were imported and 922'd during the Fed. AWB, they still lacked the bayo lug and threaded muzzle, but did at least take standard double stack magazines again.

Maybe for some S/A's that I have seen but not all.

My S/A has the threaded barrel. Even has a bit of extra metal on the FSB left over from whomever knocked off the permanent thread protector for import compliance as well as the detent pin for a muzzle device. I was able to put on a regular 14mm. slant brake no problem.

Also the bayonet lugs were shaven poorly as I was able to affix a bayonet to it. My Romanian bayonet was a little loose but functional whereas my East German one locked in nice and tight.

FCG group looks Egyptian as well.

[spicusor]

Originally Posted by Alias

Factory 54 is alive and kicking. Whether or not they still produce the AKM, I have no idea.

https://dailynewsegypt.com/2017/08/1...cycling-plant/

I should have stated factory 54 is allegedly no longer producing AKM's since the Arab spring but need confirmation of this rumor.

[Tankboy]

Originally Posted by 4mula

Disagree with you. I remember the Maadi's being known as the biggest piece of shit AK since the early 90s or so.

Not a whole lot of reports to back that up from owners who shoot them often and the same can be said for Chinese AKs lol. 80s and 90s rhetoric isn't very relevant to me.

[Tankboy]

Originally Posted by Machak_Silver

Last time I was in Kurdistan, there were quite a few DDR Aks, I can remember 5 or 10. I think I can try to find some pics, but that is a whole another topic.

Please do I'd love to see them, I just bought a DDR myself.

[virgil cole]

Originally Posted by rurallife

Maadi fans are being strangely quiet.....

They better be !

[CajunK]

Originally Posted by virgil cole

They better be !

This guy.

[mishaco]

Go/No Go & Scott, I would enjoy discussing your Maadis with you.

There can always be outliers and exceptions of course, but here's how things went down.....


1989 - Bush thing said no more imports with the usual list of features, including pistol grips, bayo lugs, and threaded barrels.

1993 - In response Intrac and PARS began importing ban friendly versions. These came with thumbhole stocks, standard magwells, and had their bayo lugs ground down. Agreeing that often the job was very half-assed and so a bayo will still fit on and even sometimes lock on. It wasn't like with the MAK90s where they took the whole lug off; just the wings on the Maadis.
Some Intracs had 14x1 threaded muzzles with a cap tackwelded over. Most PARS I've come across and heard of had their threads turned down, but I am sure some early ones had the welded cap too.

1997 - Century took over Maadi importation and the rifle's name changed to MISR. Otherwise, same guns as late Intrac/PARS imports, including std magwell, thumbhole stock, and all that. All the MISRs I've heard of and seen had their threads turned down.

1998 - The ATF and Clinton worked together to expand the '89 import ban, adding new model names to it as well as banning the ability to be imported with a magwell capable of feeding from "high capacity" feeding devices (aka standard magazines).

1998 - Century introduced the MISR-10. Same as the MISR, but with a single stack, narrow magwell which could only take single stack 10 rd mags to comply with the new rule. The old '89 rules were still in place. So rifles couldn't be imported with evil features like a pistol grip or threaded barrel.

Now this all was just for import. But on top of all that BS, you had the Federal AWB from 1994-2004, which was similar to but not the same as the '89 import ban.
Basically, it didn't allow for a rifle to have a detachable magazine and more than 1 evil feature. With AKs, most builders chose to have the pistol grip, so couldn't also have a bayo lug or removable muzzle device on threads.
On the otherhand, rifles like the M14/M1A didn't have pistol grips, so Springfield often chose to keep the flash hider as its one evil feature, but it still had to machine off the bayo lug.
It was all a stupid and ridiculous game, and I'd be happy to just erase all knowledge of the AWB from my brain...

Anyway, in the late '90s, the Maadi had to be imported in compliance with the '89 Ban and then once in the USA it had to comply with the '94 AWB.
As imported originally, it couldn't have any evil features but could have a std magwell. After '98, it couldn't have any evil features and also couldn't take high-cap mags.

Once in the USA though, 1 evil feature and the std magwell could be restored. Doing this was still in compliance with the AWB. However, there was a catch called 922(r). By adding 5 US mfg parts, the Maadi was magically transformed from an import, to a US built rifle. This meant it was no longer constrained by the '89 ban.
So you could have a military stock, pistol grip, and feed from std mags again. Usually the 5 parts choosen were the FCG, grip, and piston.
This is where the MISR S-A fits in. Century installed an Egyptian stock and modified it to take normal mags, tossing in some cheap US parts to appease the 922(r) Gods.
But they couldn't add a bayo lug and couldn't sell it with exposed muzzle threads or a flash hider.

At least not until the AWB was allowed to die in 2004. This is why the Romie WASR-10 became the GP-WASR-10 and gained more evil features. The '89 ban was still in effect, but at least the AWB was gone. So once magically turned from an import into a US rifle, AK builders could add as many features as they felt like.

Unfortunately, Maadi importation ended several years before the AWB ended, so there was never a GP-MISR-SA from Century. That said, if you own a MISR-SA, it is perfectly legal to thread the barrel or add a bayo lug or even folding stock today.

I hope that is at least a little clear? Its late and I am tired hehe, cheers.

[Martensite]

Did PARS import a 16" RML? Or was the PARS "ARM" the only 16" barrelled rifle that PARS imported? If they did import a 16" RML...was there a difference between the 16" ARM and it?

[CajunK]

I've never seen a 16" PARS ARM, just 16" RMLs.

Doesn't mean they don't exist, though. Just means that there are way more PARS RMLs out there. The PARS RML was the first AK I ever purchased during the AWB panic of '94 for about $350, before I knew about threaded barrel Intracs.

[Worm]

Originally Posted by Tankboy

Not a whole lot of reports to back that up from owners who shoot them often and the same can be said for Chinese AKs lol. 80s and 90s rhetoric isn't very relevant to me.

+1

[AJMBLAZER]

Had my PARS Maadi RML since High School in ‘94-95 or so. Has always gone bang. Cleaned when I thought about it and shot more often than that. Round count somewhere in the thousands. Has always worked.

Clown, someone else sort of aluded to it but part of the reason people here like them is they were imported assembled and not assembled here as kits or with mixed components. That’s not true of a lot of guns available here today.

[panzertruppe]

Well Scott,

I agree with you. My PARS has never failed me... It was my first AK and that was in '89.

Like Murphy's laws of war:

If it looks stupid but works, it ain't stupid...

Enter the Maadi....

Carry on...

panzertruppe