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Old 11-04-2016, 06:28 AM   #36
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My Dead Air Wolverine PBS-1 is scheduled to arrive at my FFL tomorrow.

Awesome! Are you lucky enough to try it out this weekend? I think I'd be counting the days if I had one coming in.
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Old 11-04-2016, 09:58 PM   #37
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I'm surprised this hasn't been posted already--video review of the Wolverine suppressor by Tim at MAC. He likes it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs_vkxFSuoE
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:15 AM   #38
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My Dead Air Wolverine PBS-1 is scheduled to arrive at my FFL tomorrow.

Where you able to take a look at your Wolverine yet? Any initial impressions etc?
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:27 AM   #39
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I figure we could probably get real PBS-1s and PBS-5s from Russia. So I'll wait for those.
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:37 AM   #40
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I'm looking at filing a form 1 and another tax doesn't look too appealing. If the HPA does go through, I would LOVE to pick one of these up! Great to see a dedicated AK suppressor!
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Jesus, 20 ounces for a $1K suppressor? That's Ti-suppressor pricing... Steel will manage the heat a little better for rapid fire shooting but that should be at least $200 less. Even a hybrid (different metals for baffle stack & shroud) would come out lighter and should still cost less.


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I'm looking at filing a form 1 and another tax doesn't look too appealing. If the HPA does go through, I would LOVE to pick one of these up! Great to see a dedicated AK suppressor!
Suppressing an unmodified AK, like with any semi-automatic rifle, is a series of compromises. Generally the same principles that would reliably drive an AR suppressed will also apply to an AK: make the internal volume big enough to give expanding gases enough time to slow down, but leave the end open enough to prevent much of an increase in backpressure (which is the main contributor to gas-in-face). I suspect the reason for the size of this beast is mostly for this second part. Most AKs being imported are overgassed to make them reliably run shitty ammo; that's not an inherent AK issue, just an AKs-as-imported-to-the-US issue.

If some enterprising importer would whip up a good quality adjustable gas block and instal them on rifles they import, that would go a tremendously long way into making the rifle A) more reliable with all ammo, and B) much much better for suppression. Adjustable gas blocks and suppressors are best pals and go hand in hand to getting the most out of a suppressed rifle.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:17 PM   #42
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I shot one at a demo event a few months ago and liked it so much I ordered one the next day. I didn't notice any gas in the face and it really did a good job suppressing the rifle. I have quite a few hosts so I'm hoping the adapters will be available by the time I get it next year... Going to be a long wait, much more excited for this can than my others..
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if you have a slr107fr, are you pretty much SOL on getting this to work with it since the slr has the 24x1.5mm right-hand threads? I guess youd have to rethread or find an adapter..
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:19 AM   #44
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I wonder if you could pin and weld one to a Draco?

If hpa is passed that would be the route I would like to go.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:14 PM   #45
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Mike, I think you misunderstood me little bit, perhaps because I wasn't clear enough. You can shoot it without the ear pro, if you have to -> like when hunting for example. But just to sit and blast rounds on paper, I would still wear ear pro.
So yes, I agree with you that ear pro is still highly recommended.
I 100% agree Rob. When I run-n-gun mine (spoiler alert, I already have!) it's a win for me if I can just wear plugs instead of muffs.


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Jesus, 20 ounces for a $1K suppressor? That's Ti-suppressor pricing... Steel will manage the heat a little better for rapid fire shooting but that should be at least $200 less. Even a hybrid (different metals for baffle stack & shroud) would come out lighter and should still cost less.




Suppressing an unmodified AK, like with any semi-automatic rifle, is a series of compromises. Generally the same principles that would reliably drive an AR suppressed will also apply to an AK: make the internal volume big enough to give expanding gases enough time to slow down, but leave the end open enough to prevent much of an increase in backpressure (which is the main contributor to gas-in-face). I suspect the reason for the size of this beast is mostly for this second part. Most AKs being imported are overgassed to make them reliably run shitty ammo; that's not an inherent AK issue, just an AKs-as-imported-to-the-US issue.

If some enterprising importer would whip up a good quality adjustable gas block and instal them on rifles they import, that would go a tremendously long way into making the rifle A) more reliable with all ammo, and B) much much better for suppression. Adjustable gas blocks and suppressors are best pals and go hand in hand to getting the most out of a suppressed rifle.
Adjustable gas would be great, but I'm not sure it's nessesary with the Wolverine. My initial thoughts are that Dead Air did a pretty good job of minimizing back pressure with this suppressor. The bolt doesn't seem to cycle as violently with the Wolverine as it does when I've run other 30 cal suppressors (Huntertown .308 & Izor Custom Firearms Titanium 308) on my AKs.

If it does over gas at all a cheaper/easier fix could be to run a Wolff increased power action spring, which I've had pretty good luck with in the past.


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if you have a slr107fr, are you pretty much SOL on getting this to work with it since the slr has the 24x1.5mm right-hand threads? I guess youd have to rethread or find an adapter..
24x1.5 threaded replacement end caps are available. I don't have one yet but will be ordering one soon so I can test out the Wolverine on my SLR-107fr & SLR-107ur.

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I wonder if you could pin and weld one to a Draco?

If hpa is passed that would be the route I would like to go.
I guess you could but imho it would suck not to be able to run the can on other AKs, and worth the $200 to SBR the Draco.

My FFL is a close friend so I've had the opportunity to get my PBS-1 out shooting and have a couple hundred rounds through it mounted on my SLR-101s. My initial thoughts are that it does a great job of suppressing an AK. It isn't light but isn't too heavy to be functional.

I'm planning on doing a review video of the Wolverine but want to put a crap load of rounds through it and run it on a bunch of AK'S (SLR-107FR/SLR-107ur/WASR/VEPR 1V 7.62.39 & 308/VEPR 7.62x54r/Mini Draco SBR/SLR-101s). So it might take me a while to get all the footage.
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Jesus, 20 ounces for a $1K suppressor? That's Ti-suppressor pricing... Steel will manage the heat a little better for rapid fire shooting but that should be at least $200 less. Even a hybrid (different metals for baffle stack & shroud) would come out lighter and should still cost less.




Suppressing an unmodified AK, like with any semi-automatic rifle, is a series of compromises. Generally the same principles that would reliably drive an AR suppressed will also apply to an AK: make the internal volume big enough to give expanding gases enough time to slow down, but leave the end open enough to prevent much of an increase in backpressure (which is the main contributor to gas-in-face). I suspect the reason for the size of this beast is mostly for this second part. Most AKs being imported are overgassed to make them reliably run shitty ammo; that's not an inherent AK issue, just an AKs-as-imported-to-the-US issue.

If some enterprising importer would whip up a good quality adjustable gas block and instal them on rifles they import, that would go a tremendously long way into making the rifle A) more reliable with all ammo, and B) much much better for suppression. Adjustable gas blocks and suppressors are best pals and go hand in hand to getting the most out of a suppressed rifle.
I think the best price I saw online is 700s which is priced right for the materials
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:37 PM   #47
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I 100% agree Rob. When I run-n-gun mine (spoiler alert, I already have!) it's a win for me if I can just wear plugs instead of muffs.




Adjustable gas would be great, but I'm not sure it's nessesary with the Wolverine. My initial thoughts are that Dead Air did a pretty good job of minimizing back pressure with this suppressor. The bolt doesn't seem to cycle as violently with the Wolverine as it does when I've run other 30 cal suppressors (Huntertown .308 & Izor Custom Firearms Titanium 308) on my AKs.

If it does over gas at all a cheaper/easier fix could be to run a Wolff increased power action spring, which I've had pretty good luck with in the past.




24x1.5 threaded replacement end caps are available. I don't have one yet but will be ordering one soon so I can test out the Wolverine on my SLR-107fr & SLR-107ur.



I guess you could but imho it would suck not to be able to run the can on other AKs, and worth the $200 to SBR the Draco.

My FFL is a close friend so I've had the opportunity to get my PBS-1 out shooting and have a couple hundred rounds through it mounted on my SLR-101s. My initial thoughts are that it does a great job of suppressing an AK. It isn't light but isn't too heavy to be functional.

I'm planning on doing a review video of the Wolverine but want to put a crap load of rounds through it and run it on a bunch of AK'S (SLR-107FR/SLR-107ur/WASR/VEPR 1V 7.62.39 & 308/VEPR 7.62x54r/Mini Draco SBR/SLR-101s). So it might take me a while to get all the footage.
can you post a link to where i can purchase one of those replacement end caps?
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can you post a link to where i can purchase one of those replacement end caps?
Looks like Cheaper Than Dirt has the 14/24/26mm adapters available. If you don't like CTD or the pricing you can always just google-FU the part #'s:

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/sear...instock_b=true
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Looks like part# is wv201x

Best price I've found so far is $58 here: https://www.freedomammunition.com/p-...-insrt-24mm-rh

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Guys, I have spend some time shooting suppressed AKS. For average usage, I honestly don't see the point suppressing those rifles. AK will go crazy hot after 30 rds when suppressed. So your fun will be limited when at the range. Now, when hunting, that's a totally different case - highly recommended solution.
Also, any suppressor up front adds even more weight to already front heavy rifle...so yes, they are cool, but you really have to know what you want to do with it...
I too have had less than stellar results. Not worth it for my use.
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Ive wanted one. Been waiting for silencer shop to stock them or for the HPA to pass
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Ive wanted one. Been waiting for silencer shop to stock them or for the HPA to pass
Silencer Shop doesn't sell Dead Air or SilencerCo cans. I'm ordering mine today
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I got one!!! Mines really loud tho ....

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does one need an adjustable gas block to use the pbs-1 with an AK/Krink? Or since this is designed for the AK platform, no adjustable gas block is neeeded?

i guess what im tryin to ask is, can i just stick this on a normal unmodified ak and "silence" my shots?
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Dtown,

You can mount your PBS 1 and achieve some decibel reduction right out of the box. Should you happen to have an AK with an adjustable or gas shut-off, (a handful of yugos and the polish grenadier ak) you can partially 'set' the cutoff to restrict some of the gas returning to your action.

The mechanics of the AK are inherently noisy, though. So you're really limiting that initial crack. I have a saiga
223 that sounds a little louder than a non-suppressed .22 lr when running a can, and I think that's pretty nifty, considering. The pbs has that graduating baffle diameter as its key selling point, imho. Many rifles don't have concentric enough threads for me to mount a standard 30 cal can on it.

Best sound suppression I've ever heard in an akm was actually one of those ridiculous registered oil can adapters that were selling for around 200 (plus stamp) about ten years ago. It was on a friend's rpk, and I have never heard a better commercial one since. Totally impractical, though.
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Dtown,

You can mount your PBS 1 and achieve some decibel reduction right out of the box. Should you happen to have an AK with an adjustable or gas shut-off, (a handful of yugos and the polish grenadier ak) you can partially 'set' the cutoff to restrict some of the gas returning to your action.

The mechanics of the AK are inherently noisy, though. So you're really limiting that initial crack. I have a saiga
223 that sounds a little louder than a non-suppressed .22 lr when running a can, and I think that's pretty nifty, considering. The pbs has that graduating baffle diameter as its key selling point, imho. Many rifles don't have concentric enough threads for me to mount a standard 30 cal can on it.

Best sound suppression I've ever heard in an akm was actually one of those ridiculous registered oil can adapters that were selling for around 200 (plus stamp) about ten years ago. It was on a friend's rpk, and I have never heard a better commercial one since. Totally impractical, though.
Thanks for the response. I have a ruger american 7.62x39 bolt action rifle that has a threaded barrel. Do i need to worry about anything about using this with a bolt action? Dead air makes an adapter for the threads.
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How fun - I'm finishing an order for one of those right now!

The Ruger is threaded 5/8 x 24 I believe, so as long as you've got the thread adapter for the PBS1, you're good to go. Sound reduction in the Ruger will be noticeably greater than the AK simply because there are no mechanical parts banging around in the receiver.
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