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Old 07-18-2016, 09:24 PM   #36
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I've debated on putting mine up for trade for a slr104 + ammo/ mags whatever. It's my last 762x39 gun and I've been debating on going all in on 5.45 which I already have a good stack of. Every time I take it to the range though I decide not to lol.

It's a great gun but honestly beside the collector value and maybe slightly better quality over the recent 107's it's not any better. The one thing that always bothers me is how hard it is to get an extractor/bolt for it. I saw in the vepr forum that legion has vepr 7.62 extractors and says they will fit. Has anybody verified this?
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Old 07-18-2016, 09:31 PM   #37
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People always want what they can't have. The SGL 21 is the "forbidden fruit" and there are those who will pay a higher price to get it.
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:34 PM   #38
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Bought mine 2012 or 2013 for around $850 delivered. Great shooter, probably my favorite, but ain't worth $3k, lol.

I would pay $1000-1200 all day for a second one if I was in the market though.
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I've debated on putting mine up for trade for a slr104 + ammo/ mags whatever. It's my last 762x39 gun and I've been debating on going all in on 5.45 which I already have a good stack of. Every time I take it to the range though I decide not to lol.

It's a great gun but honestly beside the collector value and maybe slightly better quality over the recent 107's it's not any better. The one thing that always bothers me is how hard it is to get an extractor/bolt for it. I saw in the vepr forum that legion has vepr 7.62 extractors and says they will fit. Has anybody verified this?
Yes, I bought one from Legion and it was a perfect match. Also picked up a firing pin from Kvar.
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In 5 years everyone will be saying "I wish I bought all I could when they only cost $3,000!".
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Old 07-18-2016, 11:15 PM   #41
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Yes, I bought one from Legion and it was a perfect match. Also picked up a firing pin from Kvar.
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In 5 years everyone will be saying "I wish I bought all I could when they only cost $3,000!".
The longer I am in this hobby the more I see that.
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Old 07-19-2016, 11:12 AM   #43
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Why? Nothing all that special about them, don't get me wrong I love mine, its just not some super performing AK.

The one technical feature that makes a Saiga/AK103 different from other stamped 7.62 AKs, is the use of an AK74 type bolt with its "long" locking lugs. AKs are not known for having wimpy bolts so this probably makes little or no real world difference. Ironically its this unique bolt and the trunnion that goes with it that are the hardest parts to get if you want to put together an authentic AK103. With everything else you can either still get the genuine Russian parts or Bulgarian or American substitutes (which will work with little or no modification). I suspect that if the real Russian Saigas don't come back in a reasonable period of time we might see American AK103 bolts and trunnions the same way a number of formerly hard to get "Chinese" parts are now being made in the US.
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yeah gb got lucky on the sgl22 as I was trying to find it local,saw it one day and forgot where. yes I would have paid 2500 for it. Side note good day to have unfired 09 sgl21s 😊 think I'll sit on one for a few years and other one is going out for a folder conversion tomorrow. I wouldn't pay that but as stated some people want one and have the money to throw at it.
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Old 07-19-2016, 03:28 PM   #45
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yeah gb got lucky on the sgl22 as I was trying to find it local,saw it one day and forgot where. yes I would have paid 2500 for it. Side note good day to have unfired 09 sgl21s 😊 think I'll sit on one for a few years and other one is going out for a folder conversion tomorrow. I wouldn't pay that but as stated some people want one and have the money to throw at it.
Bump your budget and I know where to get a brand new with original box and paperwork.
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Old 07-19-2016, 04:15 PM   #46
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peacemaker wanted 2400 or something like that before it went on Gunbroker,and lol rub it in!
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:15 PM   #47
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1. Shill bidding
2. Buyer will back out

Regardless, tons of guys with a SGL21s will now think their rifles are worth $3K.
Yep! either a shill or an idiot! I got one in the box I paid 850 for and would definetly take that crazy money!
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Why? Nothing all that special about them, don't get me wrong I love mine, its just not some super performing AK.
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Legion marked for 3k?? could have got a FIME marked AK for just over 1k just saying

Fact is whoever wanted that is a collector and 3k for him was like a kid in a candy store
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People always want what they can't have. The SGL 21 is the "forbidden fruit" and there are those who will pay a higher price to get it.
All true. Many 'collectibles' surely aren't anything special either, but some people just have the money to blow on something just because they want it. We're all guilty to some degree, but I also can't see 3x the price of an Arsenal for that. With a fixed stock.

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Old 07-19-2016, 06:44 PM   #49
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$3,125.00??!!!! WTF those people are smoking these days. Unless auction was rigged...
I don't think they are smoking it. I think they are selling it.

You can find them right now for about half that price.
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I think it's a bubble, and prices will level off. I don't think SGLs will ever surpass true prebans.
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Old 07-19-2016, 08:38 PM   #51
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I don't think they are smoking it. I think they are selling it.

You can find them right now for about half that price.
If the auction was legit, the "buyer" had to be smoking it.....as Rob suggested.
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I think it's a bubble, and prices will level off. I don't think SGLs will ever surpass true prebans.
I don't think it's a bubble, all ll I've seen are a few random auctions with possibly non-legit bidding activity that have had attention brought to them. Overall, SGL prices appear about the same when comparing data of actual sold rifles.
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I'd like to have a 7.62x39 SGL one day, but my converted IZ-132 is close enough for me.
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I'd like to have a 7.62x39 SGL one day, but my converted IZ-132 is close enough for me.
If it's done right with the right parts having a converted IZ-132 instead of a genuine SGL-21 wouldn't bother me. I am interested in the gun itself as opposed to some pedigree.

I have an SGL-21 that I had a side folder conversion done on. Since I have absolutely no intention of selling it, I am just as happy with it as I would be a factory SGL-21-94. More so even, because my gun has a pistol grip reinforcement plate and a Duracoat finish, both of which features the factory original guns do not have!
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In 5 years everyone will be saying "I wish I bought all I could when they only cost $3,000!".
No chance in hell for me.

I'd buy a SCAR 17 before blowing $3,000 on a massively overpriced AK.
I got plenty of Izhmash in my collection. No need for a pedigree title here either
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It is the only AK I won't consider selling unless my family would go hungry otherwise. I got mine sub 1k; even for 3k I won't sell.
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Sheesh am I ever kicking myself in the ass for not picking up a few when they could be had cheap.
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In 5 years everyone will be saying "I wish I bought all I could when they only cost $3,000!".

There are times when an item becomes just plain too expensive, even if you can afford it. SGLs priced at $3000 are already too expensive. This is especially true when you consider that we were able to get an SLR107FR (a rifle many consider superior to the SGL21-94) for under $1000 just a few months ago (and will presumably be able to do so again in a few months).

In the unlikely event that all decent AKs became too expensive we could if we had to defend hearth and home with ARs or Mini-14s.
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There are times when an item becomes just plain too expensive, even if you can afford it. SGLs priced at $3000 are already too expensive. This is especially true when you consider that we were able to get an SLR107FR (a rifle many consider superior to the SGL21-94) for under $1000 just a few months ago (and will presumably be able to do so again in a few months).

In the unlikely event that all decent AKs became too expensive we could if we had to defend hearth and home with ARs or Mini-14s.
I have never heard of this comparison. No way in trading mine for a slr!
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I was thinking the same,had option to get both and for me it was a solid decision,Russia can't import in this configuration Bulgaria "still for now" can.
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I have never heard of this comparison. No way in trading mine for a slr!
It's a pretty natural comparison they're both 7.62 rifles with poly furniture, side folding stocks, 90 degree gas blocks and AK74 style compensators. Here are links to several comparisons:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1869084

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-535298.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/13...SGL_21_94.html

I have both, they each have their strong points. From a utilitarian standpoint they are pretty much the same but the market value of the SGL is much higher right now.

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I have never heard of this comparison. No way in trading mine for a slr!
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Shit, I have one still NIB....damn right I would sell at 2K!!!!
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These are my SLR107FR (top) and my SGL21 with a Russian side folder conversion. I have to look closely when handling them to make sure which one is which.
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These are my SLR107FR (top) and my SGL21 with a Russian side folder conversion. I have to look closely when handling them to make sure which one is which.
Just look at the top covers. Who did your side folder conversion?
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Just look at the top covers. Who did your side folder conversion?

Yeah Ted, there are a number of things to look at to differentiate the two rifles like the stock (does it have a slot), the hinge (does it have one knuckle or two) and the rear sight (is it marked to 800m or 1000). But looking at the rifles is kind of like looking at my two cream colored Chow dogs Ginger and Taffy, sometimes at first glance from some angles) it's not immediately clear which one you are looking at.

Matt Yeamans did the initial conversion.This included welding on a grip reinforcement plate from Ted Marshall. I had replaced the relieved 5.5mm pin with a military style pin from Jmac Customs. Matt did a great job with the metal work but there were some problems with the rivets. So I had Curtis Jenkins at High Energy Arms in Woods Cross redo the rivets and Duracoat the gun. I am very pleased with the job Curtis did!
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Side rail is the biggest telling.

That's one difference I never noticed before! The two guns are kind of like those features you used to see in a magazines "Can you spot the 10 differences between these two pictures". At first blush they look the same but if you look there are definite differences.
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