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Old 09-12-2016, 01:42 PM   #141
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Almost $2500 with shipping. Wow.

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there are other sgl's for 1000 less there with almost no bidding,I think there is something going on there. That seller is local to me and have not responded to me. There is one bin for 1650 and someone just bought that for 2500?????
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Old 09-12-2016, 01:52 PM   #142
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Better scoop up any SGL you see now. After the election and the THING moves back in the Glass House they will be bringing 3K to 4K easy and will soon disappear!! If someone wants my 26-61 all you have to do is bring a 4 inch nickel python lnib or 4 inch btst lnib and I will even throw in 10 uncirculated gen 1 Tula Bakelites as well. Oh almost forgot dinner and the fun girls as well. Lololol

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there are other sgl's for 1000 less there with almost no bidding,I think there is something going on there. That seller is local to me and have not responded to me. There is one bin for 1650 and someone just bought that for 2500?????
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The key here is new in box.
Mine is NIB. Never taken the plastic off of it.
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I may have to "down-size" eventually so it is nice to see these prices rising so much. I may be motivated to shake lose of a couple for "beer money".
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I may have to "down-size" eventually so it is nice to see these prices rising so much. I may be motivated to shake lose of a couple for "beer money".
I'd much prefer less expensive and more plentiful options - better for buyers, sellers and the economy in general. In the end, making a few bucks on a rifle that you may or may not have the option to get again isn't worth it imo.
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I'd much prefer less expensive and more plentiful options - better for buyers, sellers and the economy in general. In the end, making a few bucks on a rifle that you may or may not have the option to get again isn't worth it imo.
The idea is to buy several (in bulk for price breaks if possible) and then keep a couple and sell off the rest. I have several "free" firearms this way for my collections (especially with the C&R guns).
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I also admit that the SGL-31 rifles are about as close as most of us will ever get to owning a REAL Russian milspec AK-74 - even if only a semiautomatic version.
^^^This!
I recently bought a NOS brand new SGL31 for $1200.

KVar lists them now for $1499.
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The key here is new in box.
not being fired demands 1000 more? I think not. The one I'm referring to that would be 2 dollars off of a 2500 selling price for every round fired also with this logic it would make most rifles worthless after 500rds fired,on the flip side looks like my 2 bnib that I bought in May have doubled in value! Winning! Do people who know ak's care if one has been fired 500rds?
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not being fired demands 1000 more? I think not. The one I'm referring to that would be 2 dollars off of a 2500 selling price for every round fired also with this logic it would make most rifles worthless after 500rds fired,on the flip side looks like my 2 bnib that I bought in May have doubled in value! Winning! Do people who know ak's care if one has been fired 500rds?
From a collector's standpoint, absolutely new in box will demand that kind of premium. Look at the pricing of pre ban guns.
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http://www.armslist.com/posts/585369...l-sgl21--ak47-

Check this one out its going for $3,999 and with 400 rds already shot through it. This guy must be smoking that good crack down here with Captain Jack! lmao!
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You have to understand. Armslist or I like to call it FOOLSLIST is dedicated to felons an other convicts who have no other source to buy a gun from. Give it another couple of months and he will get that price.
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^^^This!
I recently bought a NOS brand new SGL31 for $1200.

KVar lists them now for $1499.
K-VAR is now out of stock on these. $1499 will become a "remember when" price
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The real shocker are the slr107s.Back in the day lol when I purchssed from my LGS he let me have the 3 he had in stock for 2760$ out the door. The last one sold on GB for 1602 $ By November I bet there selling around the 2k range. Never thought I would see the day the stamp guns were out selling the milled.
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Yeah, the SLR107 prices right now are panic "bubble" prices. There's a decent chance they'll come back on the open market again. SGLs won't.
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Great rifle. Foolish buyer IMO. Then again everything is worth what someone will pay so I guess it's worth over 3 grand
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I know a guy who has serious income. His "walking around" money is basically my paycheck - or two.

People like that - they want it and they buy it. My "Holy Crap!" price to my friend is basically like a sale price. "Meh..." (sound of mouse clicking on BuyItNow or keyboard klickety-klik with a high bid)
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From a collector's standpoint, absolutely new in box will demand that kind of premium. Look at the pricing of pre ban guns.
S'up CyberJad! Russ here - hope you are well... Sorry - sounding a little ARFCOM there...

Another factor is the BUYING POWER of today's dollars. I am in no way a "financial guy" but I see prices on things like a can of tomato soup. Whoosh! A lot of things have shot up in price - and part of the equation is that the 2016 Dollar has bled off lots of actual value.

I recommend that the guy who STILL isn't prepared should buy what they can NOW - even melting some plastic if you have to. Sell the STUFF and buy REAL things like guns, ammo, spare parts, mags, so-called "preps".

What good will a bank account be or a "big available balance" credit card be when the proverbial walls "come'a tumblin' down?"

No - you don't have to lose all touch with reality, but realize from this discussion that ALL guns are increasing in value - if for no other reason than the buying power of our Fiat currency is erroding.
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No - you don't have to lose all touch with reality, but realize from this discussion that ALL guns are increasing in value - if for no other reason than the buying power of our Fiat currency is erroding.
Disagree completely.

AR15's are depreciating in value irrelevant of any claimed dollar value. Over-saturation plays a factor.
SIGMA series pistols are stagnant in value the past 15 years regardless of dollar value.

TOKAREV or Zastava M57's are also ridiculously cheap as well as ARCUS DA pistols to cover any "import" argument.
Soooo many more examples to counter your proposed position.

There's many things that are still very low in price today whereas others have gone up.
It's a typical economy with supply and demand. The AK market has just gone sideways as of late, that's all.
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S'up CyberJad! Russ here - hope you are well... Sorry - sounding a little ARFCOM there...

Another factor is the BUYING POWER of today's dollars. I am in no way a "financial guy" but I see prices on things like a can of tomato soup. Whoosh! A lot of things have shot up in price - and part of the equation is that the 2016 Dollar has bled off lots of actual value.

I recommend that the guy who STILL isn't prepared should buy what they can NOW - even melting some plastic if you have to. Sell the STUFF and buy REAL things like guns, ammo, spare parts, mags, so-called "preps".

What good will a bank account be or a "big available balance" credit card be when the proverbial walls "come'a tumblin' down?"

No - you don't have to lose all touch with reality, but realize from this discussion that ALL guns are increasing in value - if for no other reason than the buying power of our Fiat currency is erroding.
Hey Russ! Here is a thought though, the SGL did not increase at the rate that the currencies buying power has eroded, which tends to happen with collectibles. We saw a fast spike, which is not unusual, where things like our utility bills and consumer goods go up in more of a linear fashion.
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K-VAR is now out of stock on these. $1499 will become a "remember when" price
That's crazy I guess the SGL 31-68 is officially sold out and only on the secondary market

The last place to sell them for somewhat of a deal was Tombstonetactical
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The sgls are gone forever forget about them and if the THING gets back in the glass house so to will be the rest of the Arsenals.Check out the ones on GB right now there going crazy.
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wow, I wonder what they will be worth in 3 years
IF Hillary gets elected........between $2500 to $3500 I predict.

IF Trump gets elected.........between $1900 to $2500 I predict.

Man, would I love to own Arsenal, Inc.

That fucker/those fuckers probably live in a 20-room house with a huge private pool and can afford beautiful hookers.

But, they obviously understand capitalism and business strategy.

Gain a monopoly on Bulgarian rifles and remake Saiga rifles into what they were originally intended to be and then charge whatever you want AND THEY WILL BUY.

Harvard Business School should do a case study of this company.
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I figure I was lucky that I picked one up Aug 2012. It's a FIME unfortunately but some say it was only a name change and quality is still there.
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IF Hillary gets elected........between $2500 to $3500 I predict.

IF Trump gets elected.........between $1900 to $2500 I predict.

Man, would I love to own Arsenal, Inc.

That fucker/those fuckers probably live in a 20-room house with a huge private pool and can afford beautiful hookers.

But, they obviously understand capitalism and business strategy.

Gain a monopoly on Bulgarian rifles and remake Saiga rifles into what they were originally intended to be and then charge whatever you want AND THEY WILL BUY.

Harvard Business School should do a case study of this company.
And don't forget about the fun girls that come over every Saturday night. Lol
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I'm certainly glad I got into the game years ago. There's no way I'd be able to afford my collection the way prices have gone up on rifles. I still kick my self for not going wild on AK's in the late 90's. Hopefully Trump will win and we can have some relief form gun panic. I'd rather be able to buy more rifles I want, then have my collection increase 3 times the Price and not be able to afford any more.

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I figure I was lucky that I picked one up Aug 2012. It's a FIME unfortunately but some say it was only a name change and quality is still there.
It was just a name change that's it. That's what my my SGL 26-61 has on it. Imported by Fime group. Just away around the BS.
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I figure I was lucky that I picked one up Aug 2012. It's a FIME unfortunately but some say it was only a name change and quality is still there.
I have an Arsenal import and a FIME import. Identical rifles.
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It was just a name change that's it. That's what my my SGL 26-61 has on it. Imported by Fime group. Just away around the BS.
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I have an Arsenal import and a FIME import. Identical rifles.
Do y'alls have the Izy cartouche?

I do not own a FIME, but heard that was the only glaring difference between the two.
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Invest in a SGL. Right now prices are going crazy with anticipation of the return of the THING! Maybe better investment than the market. Lol
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And don't forget about the fun girls that come over every Saturday night. Lol
WORD.

If you want to see common waitresses that are drop dead gorgeous then go to Vegas or Hollywood.

There are hundreds, probably thousands, of beautiful young women who have gone there to "get rich and famous."

Sadly, very few will ever achieve that so MOST end up hooking and such to pay the bills. The few lucky ones will find a sugar daddy to take care of them but most will just start to age over time and will end up bitter and middle-aged.

So the girls who were the head cheerleaders in high school in their little midwestern towns where they grew up and everybody kissed their asses quickly find out they are just average in Vegas or Hollywood. And using their vaginas is the only option most of these have.
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Invest in a SGL. Right now prices are going crazy with anticipation of the return of the THING! Maybe better investment than the market. Lol
it's already to late for a true investment.. Point is anyone that want's one can buy one and not have to worry since you will sure get all your money back if you have to sell and maybe more$$
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it's already to late for a true investment.. Point is anyone that want's one can buy one and not have to worry since you will sure get all your money back if you have to sell and maybe more$$
Definitely. I can remember when nobody would give them a second look. Now when one comes up on GB penny start no reserve they go crazy for it. The same with the SLR107s. There's 3 of them on GB with one finishing in about 4 hrs that's already almost to 1700$. I bet it will be up around the 2K mark when finished.
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If Trump gets elected and it sure looks like that will happen there are going to be many suckers holding the bag on way over priced AK's !! We saw this after the 2013 panic cooled off.
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If Trump gets elected and it sure looks like that will happen there are going to be many suckers holding the bag on way over priced AK's !! We saw this after the 2013 panic cooled off.
I sure hope your right. But I wouldn't bet a nickel on Trump winning. I bet there will be more voter fraud going on that day than any other day in American history. There will be people voiting that have been dead and buried for 30 years and Mexicans voiting 10 times each. Also there want be one charter bus left available for rent that day. Hillary will have them all taken, LOL
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I sure hope your right. But I wouldn't bet a nickel on Trump winning. I bet there will be more voter fraud going on that day than any other day in American history. There will be people voiting that have been dead and buried for 30 years and Mexicans voiting 10 times each. Also there want be one charter bus left available for rent that day. Hillary will have them all taken, LOL
It's not a popular vote it's an elector vote system, your vote doesn't really count.
There have been several presidents elected that didn't win the popular vote.

Currently, there is a total of 538 electors, there being 435 representatives and 100 senators, plus the three electors allocated to Washington, D.C.. The six states with the most electors are California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), Florida (29), Illinois (20) and Pennsylvania (20).
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