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Old 11-15-2016, 08:12 PM   #71
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30% drop in price, wishful thinking IMO.
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Depends on what economic policy Trump will put into place. We are in the midst of a big wave of deflation (economic, not talking about what we experience buying food, clothing, heat, electricity...etc.). If Trump cuts off the Fed and makes changes with cheap money (ZIRP and NIRP), we could see the tidal wave of deflation hit the market. Not to mention if some black swan event hit the markets like a Deutsche bank issue or some other derivative meltdown.

Those that stay liquid will benefit.
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:24 PM   #72
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Some as low as $405 with a 10% + $10 off weekly coupon. So no, not impossible.

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Old 11-15-2016, 08:28 PM   #73
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30% drop in price, wishful thinking IMO.
Not if the consumers won't buy it otherwise.

There mere fact that Trump isn't going after guns calms buyers and drops it 10%. Wait it a little longer and it's sure to settle even further. I know I'm not buying a dang thing other than ammo to replenish my training stash. Time to focus on other essentials; praise the Lord!
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:29 PM   #74
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It isn't a ban, it is trade sanctions against specific individuals and companies linked to Russian aggression against Ukraine. Unlike Clintons so-called trade sanctions against China that affected only gun-related stuff and all Chinese companies and only the US (for example Chinese guns/ammo are imported to Canada to this day, if their design otherwise complies with Canuck gun laws), the Russian sanctions are by international agreement and affect everything not just guns but apply to only select companies and individuals linked to the Putin regime. It isn't going away short of a resolution of the Ukraine issue, and would have gone away under Clinton if she had won and resolved the Ukraine issue, but Trump IMO is much more likely to resolve it than Clinton would have been. However, don't expect Trump to unilaterally drop the sanctions without a deal happening first, if for no others reason because the sanctions are a bargaining chip in resolving Ukraine.

Remember Victoria Nuland? The whole Ukraine civil unrest and overthrow was designed by Obama + Hillary's State Department under the funding and guise of George Soros. I expect Trump to right relations with Russia. He has no reason or interest to continue a confrontational relationship with Russia. Trump didn't design or support the sanctions against Russia or the involvement in Ukraine to overthrow the democratically elected government. Hillary did. I can see Trump going through and righting much of the miserable foreign relations and policies that were created and implemented during the Obama/Clinton reign.

Obviously will depend on who Trump picks as his SOS, but I see things normalizing fairly quickly with Russia. Especially if Trump + Putin ally together to defeat ISIS.
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:22 PM   #75
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Remember Victoria Nuland? The whole Ukraine civil unrest and overthrow was designed by Obama + Hillary's State Department under the funding and guise of George Soros. I expect Trump to right relations with Russia. He has no reason or interest to continue a confrontational relationship with Russia. Trump didn't design or support the sanctions against Russia or the involvement in Ukraine to overthrow the democratically elected government. Hillary did. I can see Trump going through and righting much of the miserable foreign relations and policies that were created and implemented during the Obama/Clinton reign.

Obviously will depend on who Trump picks as his SOS, but I see things normalizing fairly quickly with Russia. Especially if Trump + Putin ally together to defeat ISIS.
I wouldn't go so far as that, but I expect a deal is in the interest of both and most likely will look like Trump recognizing the annexation of Crimea & dropping the sanctions in return for Putin withdrawing his "little green men" from Donbass & throwing the Donbass rebels under the bus. The other points of contention are bargaining chips that could go either way, but I think the above is the minimum either man could accept & sell back home.
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:55 PM   #76
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Pass.

We, consumers, finally have all the advantages on our side. Kick back have a beer, enjoy the holidays & let's see where prices are next spring & summer before we ratchet the buying back up.
I concur. Everyone chill on buying AK's for another 6 months. The prices will go down. Power to the people! lol haha
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:56 PM   #77
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All this optimism of lower AK prices makes me happy that I didn't panic I pay over 600 for a WASR before the election. Who knew brand name AR15s would below $550 after what happened! AKs obviously have the import factor, but I agree with many, lower prices are ahead. Save up money, pay off your debts, fix the broken stuff around the house, now is not the time to buy AKs.
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That is a great price on the WASR and less than what we paid for the last batch we bought in.
Negative. A great price for a WASR ( inspected) with no issues is about 400-500$. Anything more than that, is truly excessive and you know it. If Obama was the golden era for gun manufactures/importers, then Trump is going to be the golden era for gun buyers
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:41 AM   #79
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It's SIMPLE economics , doesn't matter weather it's an AK or a Sony Playstation 8 , if there is panic driven demand, you the retail consumer will take it in the ass and a lot of people make money off this scenario in the process. Stop emotional panic buying and this will create excessive inventories , which will then create lower price negotiations (leverage advantage to us) and ultimately prices pull back. Forget the wishful thinking you will see a $400 AK, I do suspect to see prices in general to start a consistent pullback but it's not going to be a sudden drop. The suppliers first need to sell off the current inventories .
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seems they still have plenty in stock. Curious to see how they move without further price drop.
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It's SIMPLE economics , doesn't matter weather it's an AK or a Sony Playstation 8 , if there is panic driven demand, you the retail consumer will take it in the ass and a lot of people make money off this scenario in the process. Stop emotional panic buying and this will create excessive inventories , which will then create lower price negotiations (leverage advantage to us) and ultimately prices pull back. Forget the wishful thinking you will see a $400 AK, I do suspect to see prices in general to start a consistent pullback but it's not going to be a sudden drop. The suppliers first need to sell off the current inventories .
Spot on. If most AK owners already have all the WASR/AKs that they want at this point with the current market prices, eventually the price will need to fall down. If we consider these are $630 shipped, that is basically $580-600 when compared to sellers that charge $30-50 to ship a rifle to you. So we are already in the high 500s and this is just one week after a Trump victory. Once Trump is sworn in and things progress as normal for sometime, I think we will start seeing mid 500s soon enough, then low 500s. Will it get into the high 400s? I think it might but it will take some time of no panic buys or major drama. With Trump in office, there shouldn't be any anti-2A drama. Not to mention the USD is gaining in strength (I know most sellers/importers won't pass those savings onto buyers).
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Old 11-16-2016, 03:48 PM   #82
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I don't think anything that has come from Arsenal inc/FIME has ever been $450.....lol
Yep but several years back they had a sale on the Legion SGL21 for $499.
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Spot on. If most AK owners already have all the WASR/AKs that they want at this point with the current market prices, eventually the price will need to fall down. If we consider these are $630 shipped, that is basically $580-600 when compared to sellers that charge $30-50 to ship a rifle to you. So we are already in the high 500s and this is just one week after a Trump victory. Once Trump is sworn in and things progress as normal for sometime, I think we will start seeing mid 500s soon enough, then low 500s. Will it get into the high 400s? I think it might but it will take some time of no panic buys or major drama. With Trump in office, there shouldn't be any anti-2A drama. Not to mention the USD is gaining in strength (I know most sellers/importers won't pass those savings onto buyers).
can't see prices going much below $500. When you consider a plastic toy like a keltec sub 2000 (glock 9mm flavor) goes for $500-600, $500 would be more than palatable for the WASR.
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Doesn't seem as if these wasr's are moving, looks like several still in stock.
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Old 11-19-2016, 05:36 PM   #85
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Sit back and wait people.

Start looking into first aid/food/water, let gun and ammo prices come down.
I'm stocking up on cigars in front of this FDA bullshit that's coming sown
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Doesn't seem as if these wasr's are moving, looks like several still in stock.
That's good! The less people buy them the more companies will be forced to drop their price. I just wish Atlantic would drop their price cause I really do like the QC inspection and they have great customer service to boot. Maybe their next batch prices will drop. We'll see.
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Old 11-19-2016, 11:25 PM   #87
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Doesn't seem as if these wasr's are moving, looks like several still in stock.
Worries are over...for now.
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Old 11-20-2016, 12:24 AM   #88
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WASR $589
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Thank Trump and logical Americans.
Give it still summer and it might even go lower.
Least what I think...
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what the hell?

Brownells charges a "10 dollar FFL processing fee"?

so i have to pay them an FFL fee, and then my FFL a fee?
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Give it still summer and it might even go lower.
Least what I think...
Yeah I'm not buying anything until spring/summer unless a can't miss deal comes along. Only down from here imo.
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Old 11-20-2016, 02:28 AM   #93
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Brownells always has some coupon codes. currently L6G will takes $10 off the rifle and give free shipping. That makes it $589 shipped to the FFL, then whatever transfer fee they have.
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for this price, I'll buy myself a vepr in 7.62x39 cost about almost the same.
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Leave those American made experiments alone and imports will most def increase and price will stabilize. When you buy the turds the importers have no incentive to bring you a quality AK imported or not. They are too busy ripping u a new ahole
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for this price, I'll buy myself a vepr in 7.62x39 cost about almost the same.
If you're talking about a slant back sure but they aren't in stock anywhere. Not the 16" model. The Wasr is now $400 cheaper than the FM Vepr through brownells.
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I wish all this buying solidarity was around a year ago. We would have never seen pretty bad condition 5.45 mags selling for $45! I have noticed that the price on most 5.45 mags are finally going down, thank goodness. I know Legion has them for good prices right now, would still like to see them for $15 apiece shipped.
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If you're talking about a slant back sure but they aren't in stock anywhere. Not the 16" model. The Wasr is now $400 cheaper than the FM Vepr through brownells.
yes but Wasr are not in same league as quality concerns.
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The gun market is due for correction, patience
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Be patient and stay liquid. It will be a buyers market soon. Listen to these two podcasts... sounds like getting out of stocks/bonds and staying liquid, and then when things deflate and recession sets in, everything will be for sale. Buy things of real worth and buy productive assets. Expect your home to loose equity, so plan accordingly to not end up upside down on a mortgage.

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Just a year ago my local Dunhams had WASRs for $450. It'll come.
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Old 11-20-2016, 08:53 AM   #103
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Yellen has been propping up the 'obama economy.' She nor the other global elites/bankers won't be so accommodating to Trump and will be more than happy to allow 20 years of ad fiscal policy and kicking the van to come home to roost on Trumps watch.

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Hellen has been propping up the 'obama economy.' She nor the other global elites/bankers won't be so accommodating to Trump and will be more than happy to allow 20 years of ad fiscal policy and kicking the van to come home to roost on Trumps watch.
of course, did you expect anything different. In 2 years the libturds will point fingers at the administration and hopefully have nothing to hit them with.

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seems they still have plenty in stock. Curious to see how they move without further price drop.
Not all of the US Buyers are wise to the cyclic panic cycle price roller coaster.
So there will still be late to the game noobs who will buy unfortunately.

The veterans to the panic cycles know it's gonna crash and level out and have stopped buying already.
Then there's the panic noobs who will put 2 and 2 together and realize the Hitlery regime threat is over, and forget about it.

IN other words, sales will slow down to a trickle, just keep spreading the word to stop buying til mid 2017
Now I'm sure vendors will attempt to counter this thought because it's not good for their business, but we want a buyers market.

Right now we're still in a sellers market.
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