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Old 03-12-2017, 03:00 PM   #141
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Would be cool to see more milled US rifles with stronger internals

Not the cast junk

Been debating building some milled from scratch....
I don't say this too often here, but I am a fan of the C39V2. I miss mine and will likely have another soon. I realize the shortcomings of the BCG. I get it...

But, the receiver and 4150 barrel when nitride treated looks great. It performs superior to non=nitrided CHF receiver in my opinion. I put over 1,000rnds through my last C39V2 and the finish was not worn on the receiver rails at all. It still looked brand new. It was much smoother and more accurate than my other AK's. It had zero parts that have been known to have a reputation for weakness.

Bottom line, I paid $749 for the rifle. I sold the BCG for $125 I believe ($65 for carrier and $60 for the bolt). I bought an unissued Bulgarian BCG in the market place here for $100. I sold the Walnut furniuture for the same price I paid for the Magpul MOE stuff. This rifle had ~$725 in it roughly.

While in the minority here, I believe it was a helluva good value for a milled gun.

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I don't say this too often here, but I am a fan of the C39V2
Who are you tryin to sell that BS line to?? LoL

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Old 03-12-2017, 03:06 PM   #143
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Who are you tryin to sell that BS line to?? LoL

You are well identified by your Century talkups since you joined
You're right.... I tried to cool it and was presented enough evidence to know that there was substance to all those claims. Finally seen enough pictures of shitty parts.
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Very cool video!
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You're right.... I tried to cool it and was presented enough evidence to know that there was substance to all those claims. Finally seen enough pictures of shitty parts.
Well at least ya finally came around.
Sucks seeing it....

Switching the bolt and carrier in the milled rifles seems to be an ideal end solution
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Well at least ya finally came around.
Sucks seeing it....

Switching the bolt and carrier in the milled rifles seems to be an ideal end solution
I agree. Just in a state of wait-and-see here. I just hope that this rifle turns out to be as good as my worse Century gun... Fucked up thinking I know. But that's my personal experience.

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Old 03-12-2017, 03:31 PM   #147
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We could do it better. What those former com-bloc countries had at the time was assistance from Russia and the TDP.
The profit margin isnt big enough. I've said it once, I'll say it 1000 times. Combloc rifles were made for war. American AKs are made for profit. American companies will continue to cut corners because as you said "cheap sells." A high quality American made ak will price the vast majority of AK guys out. So we could do it better, but we won't

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Agreed

We can do anything better, but the market price will not be met with enthusiasm

Therefore....ComBloc FTMFW
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Agreed

We can do anything better, but the market price will not be met with enthusiasm

Therefore....ComBloc FTMFW
I believe that's what is happening here with the Buy outs of Boutique AK Manufacturers (for lack of better term).

We will see a major player like PSA provide whatever ride and drive you can afford from one label.

It's like a $750 Lowe's John Deere vs a TriGreen John Deere Dealer's $7500 John Deere. Every manufacturer in the USA is driven to do it. In the end some John Deere's are shit and other's are as good as you can buy. I hate that crap.
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Old 03-12-2017, 06:08 PM   #150
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I'd say look at FB Radom for how to make a great stamped AK, or a great AK period.

The Poles always seem to have a knack for making high quality firearms at competitive prices. Just look at pre-German occupation Radom 35 pistols and Mauser 98 rifles that Radom made. Polish guns always seem to have excellent fit and finish, and it seems that commercial and armed forces firearms are treated to the same level of attention to detail.

Granted, if FB Radom were selling Beryl rifles here, they'd probably be relatively expensive for a stamped AK. But you know that you're buying a solid, well-finished firearm that will shoot well.

As mentioned in a post elsewhere, there's no real magic to making a good AK, and it's the same as making a good AR-15 or any other firearm. It's fit, finish, and attention to detail.

Nowadays, I'd bet that if you took an AR-15 and an AK-47/74/100 rifle and they were built equally as well, they'd perform on the range equally as well with quality ammo.

Problem is that it seems that we might have to send US AK makers to Poland to find out what Radom's "secrets" are, which I doubt are secrets.

This goes back to MAC's comments that Russian AKs made by Izhmash/Kalashnikov Concern don't necessarily use forged trunnions. I doubt that Radom even uses forged trunnions, or if they do, they do it differently than what the US makers do.
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Would be cool to see more milled US rifles with stronger internals
Id love to see some good quality milled rifles made inthe USA in 308 or simualr .
thye dont have to be a copy of whats already made jsut make a good strong rifle that can take most AK furniture .
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Milled is probably the best way to go for anything above an intermediate caliber. Otherwise, you might as well build a RPK semi auto in .308 or above, which is what Veprs in such calibers basically are as far as reciever/trunnion construction.
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In a nutshell:


DDI: We are going into production on FORGED AKS!
Us: cool lets see it...

DDI: We are making combo FSBs and side folder and underfolders, teasers on facebook!
Us: cool let's see it...

DDI: FORGED AKS NOW SHIPPING TO DISTRIBUTORS!
Us: cool let's see it...

Us: We have our AKs, now to test...
DDI: cool let's see it, one sent to RobSki!

RobSki: broken extractor guys, ~800 rounds!
Us: not cool...
DDI: we will investigate!

Us: Your extractors are fucked up and sticking out on our guns too DDI...
DDI: Standby while we assess the situation...

RobSki: Ok guys, second extractor broke! Cannot recommend...
Us: Shit...
DDI: Ok guys we have a bad batch of extractors that was left on a table and must have been thrown by mistake into some rifles...

Us: hmmm...ok...


time passes...


DDI: ok guys rumor is true, we have a big merge in the works...
Us: is it PSA?
DDI: can't say....public announcement forthcoming

week later after no public announcement-

DDI: we have partnered with PSA (and fired or let go, (but (maybe?)) relocated our 20+ employees) right before Christmas! it will benefit us both!
Us: cool, lets see it...

Us: ok guys, my side folder stock literally fell off while shoulder firing at the welds...
DDI: ... ...

PSA: We can acknowledge our partner (buy out) of DDI, and look forward to bringing a quality affordable and reliable US produced AK47 to the market, big things to come at shot show!
Us: cool lets see it...

Segway to after release...

Us: my kit is not forged like you lied and said it is and none of my furniture fits, and it is fucked!
PSA: oh, my bad, silly you, we have TIERS of AKs, you owe us $150 more dollars for what we initially promised you for $300. send us your barreled kits, and we will upgrade you (to what we promised you but lied about initially) for free in good faith.


and the beat goes on....
Well you nailed that.
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You're right.... I tried to cool it and was presented enough evidence to know that there was substance to all those claims. Finally seen enough pictures of shitty parts.
Yeah but have you tried one of those newfangled WASRs?
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The profit margin isnt big enough. I've said it once, I'll say it 1000 times. Combloc rifles were made for war. American AKs are made for profit. American companies will continue to cut corners because as you said "cheap sells." A high quality American made ak will price the vast majority of AK guys out. So we could do it better, but we won't
And if you say this 1,000 times I will agree with you 1,000 times.
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Milled is probably the best way to go for anything above an intermediate caliber. Otherwise, you might as well build a RPK semi auto in .308 or above, which is what Veprs in such calibers basically are as far as reciever/trunnion construction.
Vepr makes 308 and 3006 and 54r and its reinforced stamped receiver
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Isn't that what I refereed to? Unless you want some ridiculously thick stampings, you're pretty much stuck with a RPK receiver for anything much more powerful than 5.56 or pud-loaded .308.

China has a .308/7.62x54R rifle out in the mold of the Vepr, and it's basically built on a RPK receiver.

I also believe that's why all actual versions of the SVD are milled to this day.
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I gotta try me one of those...
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Other than the extractor and the folding stock breaking, what, else was wrong with the DDI? I'm asking because I have one, only about 300 rounds through it so far. Thanks.
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Other than the extractor and the folding stock breaking, what, else was wrong with the DDI? I'm asking because I have one, only about 300 rounds through it so far. Thanks.
The extractor issue may not be the extractor's fault......
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Other than the extractor and the folding stock breaking, what, else was wrong with the DDI? I'm asking because I have one, only about 300 rounds through it so far. Thanks.
A few of the first ones had a tight headspace. Another guy had issues with failure to fire with light primer strikes, failure to feed...etc. Most likely from poor QC prior to leaving DDI with rifles that should never have been sold to customers.


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A few of the first ones had a tight headspace. Another guy had issues with failure to fire with light primer strikes, failure to feed...etc. Most likely from poor QC prior to leaving DDI with rifles that should never have been sold to customers.


http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288355
Thanks for the link. So far I haven't had any of those problems. I have the new extractor DDI sent out. We'll see I guess.
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A few of the first ones had a tight headspace. Another guy had issues with failure to fire with light primer strikes, failure to feed...etc. Most likely from poor QC prior to leaving DDI with rifles that should never have been sold to customers.


http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288355
The first guy in the link you posted was taken care of quickly by DDI. Rifle was repaired and returned in a very short time. The guy himself praised the service he recieved. But without fireing a single round and based only on Robski's ejector videos, he got rid of the rifle and opted to buy and new PSA which he promptly posted issues with it.

The second guy sent his in for repair. Got it back and posted a second video showing issue free operation. No mention from Scamptactical about any customer service problems in his second video.


64860 - "The extractor issue may not be the extractor's fault......"

Could you elaborate on your comment with any evidence that the bolt was out of spec or whatever else you may be eluding to. Even Robski never made that claim in/during his November series of YouTube videos on this rifle. And those videos have been the only information given about extractors.


I personally can't justify a good explanation of why those stock welds failed. Still watching and reading for any further performance information. Mine is running fine but I still only have 810 rounds through it.
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Mine is running fine but I still only have 810 rounds through it.
Would be good to hear how it fares after a few thousand make it down the pipe.

Keep us posted.

I'm kinda disappointed Mrgunsandgear testing isn't updated, which kinda suggests to me that something happened around 1000+ rds
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Stupid question here, but how does one tell IF he/she got a Hungarian kit built DDI & not a 100% American made one? Cause they were selling both at one point, correct?
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I'm kinda disappointed Mrgunsandgear testing isn't updated, which kinda suggests to me that something happened around 1000+ rds
Yeah, I know what you mean. He stated in the comment sections in subsequent videos he was going to get to it but like you, I'm waiting also.
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Stupid question here, but how does one tell IF he/she got a Hungarian kit built DDI & not a 100% American made one? Cause they were selling both at one point, correct?
That's a good question actually.......

The Trunnion's should be identified by the markings on the US Trinity models.
Usually military surplus kits also have their own markings as well that should separate them.

I can't find the DDI engravings, but heres a Hungarian trunnion as an example, should be numbered.
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The US Trinity have the front sight/gas block combo.
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The US Trinity have the front sight/gas block combo.
THERE YA GO!!!!

I forgot about that, he's right....that's the simplest identifiable feature at a distance.

Hungarian one's have the separate GB & FSB
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That's a good question actually.......

The Trunnion's should be identified by the markings on the US Trinity models.
Usually military surplus kits also have their own markings as well that should separate them.

I can't find the DDI engravings, but heres a Hungarian trunnion as an example, should be numbered.

I believe they ground off the Hungarian markings for one reason or another & i thought some of the 100% made DDI had the normal gas block & front sight?
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64860 - "The extractor issue may not be the extractor's fault......"

Could you elaborate on your comment with any evidence that the bolt was out of spec or whatever else you may be eluding to. Even Robski never made that claim in/during his November series of YouTube videos on this rifle. And those videos have been the only information given about extractors.

No, there were many discussions here about the extractor. You must have missed them. Yes, Rob may have not participated.

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287410

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286811

Focus on the "proud" discussions.

You're welcome and good luck with your DDI.
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He is busy lumber hacking his property......
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Yes, I've read and participated in those threads. They prove nothing. Conjecture only. Definitely defective ejectors but no difinative answers concerning bolt or bolt carrier problems.

As you say, "many discussions here about the extractor". But no evidence faulty bolt or anything else is/were involved......... As your previous post inferred.


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Been gone for few days and still catching up on stuff here.

Here is my honest take on whole DDI / PSA thing.

Like many others here, I honestly was rooting for DDI to succeed. Like it or not, but DDI was one of few companies which was actually involved here on Files.
That being said, was David acting like a bone head sometimes? Yes he was, but he was getting kicked in the balls from the crowd members as well, so gloves were off on both sides - that's the AK Files beauty (like it or not).

As for their Chinese shotguns - classic case why David shouldn't promise that much and rather keep his mouth shut...DDI12 was almost complete fiasco - there is no other way to describe it...
This was one of many cuts which brought DDI to the floor at the end...

DDI Forged AK - this is the point when i totally lost it with DDI. I could understand first broken extractor - shit happens, faulty part - i got it.
But when i posted video and everyone from DDI could see broken extractor and i mailed back that broken extractor to them, how in the hell, they mailed me exactly the same (from the same batch), faulty extractor, is beyond me - that really pissed me off. That's simply being careless...

You guys probably don't care, but i hate when guns fail on me...I can't stand wasting time...at that point i didn't even wanted to talk to David, but he is Army vet and out of respect i let it go...we just don't talk about guns anymore...

Then the whole hoopla about DDI being unloaded to PSA happened. Whole thing was one big cluster fuck from PR point of view - again, i think it would be best if David would just not talk sometimes...

Then PSA bombed the parts kits launch - this is totally on PSA shoulders - a complete fucken mess. I'm glad to hear that at least for some, that story is finally ending on a positive note (i'm getting updates from fans on this daily).

Honestly, in my eyes, DDI fiasco, was one of the biggest disappointments of 2016...

I know that some people hate David with passion here - some of this is completely deserved and trust me, there were times when i personally wanted to run to TN and kick him in the nuts to bring his brain back into the correct place...that being said, David is a good dude. At least i still believe that he has a heart in the right place...just his tongue should be on the leash...;-)

As for what Tim is saying in regards to trunnions and etc. We are all learning here and there is still big mountain of knowledge to climb. This is subject for totally different discussion.
I realized that i was used by some big names in the AK world, like a condom on their dick, to push their agenda with my mouth...I was very naive to trust them, simply because i believed that people who were talking to me, really wanted AK to succeed in USA... Lessons fkn learned.
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I believe they ground off the Hungarian markings for one reason or another & i thought some of the 100% made DDI had the normal gas block & front sight?
No, the All American "Trinity" has the combo block.
The Hungarian kit builds are standard AKM gas block and front sight.

The factory ran out of Hungarian kits before they built the Trinity.
Probably still some Hungarian builds on the shelves somewhere.

If you have a Hungarian, you're probably GTG.
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