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Old 10-09-2017, 03:05 PM   #1
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Thoughts on the Zastava NPAP - purchased one from Degun.net for 464 if you do the request price match along with adding something to make cart subtotal worth 500 ( use code SHIP30) to take off shipping charges.


Anyways what are your guys thoughts on the NPAP. Is it GTW rifle or not?

Also I thought it was too good of a deal to pass up since all the WASRs are going for prices higher than this
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:21 PM   #2
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Nice!

Good buy
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:41 PM   #3
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It will serve you well for a long time. But you probably do want to replace the furniture. They ship with Century US mfg wood, which is crap (all Century's AKs do though, including the wASR and RAS47).
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Old 10-09-2017, 04:00 PM   #4
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It will serve you well for a long time. But you probably do want to replace the furniture. They ship with Century US mfg wood, which is crap (all Century's AKs do though, including the wASR and RAS47).
Yes am already in the process of replacing furniture. I have SLR rails on the way and zhukov stock for the back, with Dead air flash hider,
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Old 10-09-2017, 04:03 PM   #5
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Thoroughly clean before firing. A lot of shavings from opening magwell. Will be a good shooter for ya.
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Change recoil springs to standard power or extra power. These very often come with weak recoil springs.
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Change recoil springs to standard power or extra power. These very often come with weak recoil springs.
I went with the Wolf 15% stronger I believe and you can tell a difference for the good.
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Change recoil springs to standard power or extra power. These very often come with weak recoil springs.
I have a spare ALG recoil spring around should that suffice?
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Old 10-09-2017, 04:29 PM   #9
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Also ordered a tapco retaining plate for trigger pins
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:05 PM   #10
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Any good quality recoil spring will work. I put a Polish one in my M92PV just because it was what I had around at the time.
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It will serve you well for a long time. But you probably do want to replace the furniture. They ship with Century US mfg wood, which is crap (all Century's AKs do though, including the wASR and RAS47).

Don't want to derail the thread, but great videos Mishaco. Encyclopedic knowledge.

And to the OP, I have had great luck w my NPaps from made in 2012-2014 or so. Extremely well finished guns for the price.
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I have a spare ALG recoil spring around should that suffice?
Yeah I have an ALG in my WASR. It was an absolute bitch to get on but I got that damn thing on.
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Yes am already in the process of replacing furniture. I have SLR rails on the way and zhukov stock for the back, with Dead air flash hider,
Add a Wolff xp recoil spring and dremel down the hump on the G2 trigger.
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Old 10-09-2017, 06:53 PM   #14
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NPAPs come with RAK-1 triggers since mid 2015 I think. No need to reshape the RAK1 hammer. The RAK-1 hammer profile is very gentle to the bolt carrier tail.
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out of curiosity... wouldn't an XP recoil spring put more force on the FRONT trunnion enough though you're reducing it on the rear?
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Thoughts on the Zastava NPAP - purchased one from Degun.net for 464 if you do the request price match along with adding something to make cart subtotal worth 500 ( use code SHIP30) to take off shipping charges.


Anyways what are your guys thoughts on the NPAP. Is it GTW rifle or not?

Also I thought it was too good of a deal to pass up since all the WASRs are going for prices higher than this
I have two underfolders,all stock absolutely flawless shooters mine was dead on at any sight setting. The trigger is beautiful.I have no complaints with mine about 2500 rds down the pipe.One is unfired NIB.
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NPAPs come with RAK-1 triggers since mid 2015 I think. No need to reshape the RAK1 hammer. The RAK-1 hammer profile is very gentle to the bolt carrier tail.
I personally didnít know that. Thanks for the info.
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Old 10-09-2017, 08:28 PM   #18
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No, changing out the recoil spring won't put any additional pressure/stress on the front trunnion. At least not measurably so.

These NPAPs really are good guns for the money. I've had no trouble out of mine and friends who own them also report same.

Rev06, thank you.
We have a video coming soon with the OPAP & those new Zastava BHO mags.
And another on the history of Yugo AKs, and a 3rd called 'In Defense of the NPAP.'
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out of curiosity... wouldn't an XP recoil spring put more force on the FRONT trunnion enough though you're reducing it on the rear?
Unless you have a U.S Made gun, I wouldn't worry about your front trunnion deforming from spring pressure.
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Slap some balkan war wood on it and done.
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Unless you have a U.S Made gun, I wouldn't worry about your front trunnion deforming from spring pressure.
well, I was thinking since the rear trunnion took a beating on Robski's gun from the carrier pounding it repeatedly, an xp spring forcing the carrier forward harder would do the same thing, just in reverse... unless my thinking is flawed
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well, I was thinking since the rear trunnion took a beating on Robski's gun from the carrier pounding it repeatedly, an xp spring forcing the carrier forward harder would do the same thing, just in reverse... unless my thinking is flawed
What is the function of a RECOIL spring? What force is it mitigating?
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What is the function of a RECOIL spring? What force is it mitigating?
well, depends. A spring reduces speed one way, but speeds it up the other. At least in the 1911 world a stronger recoil spring has both negative and positive effects. It reduces frame battery by slowing the slide's recoil backwards, but slams it forward harder putting excess wear on the barrel lug and slide lock as it slams forward, causing premature wear there. kind of a give and tack
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I doubt that a stronger recoil spring hurts the carrier and/or front trunnion. The contact surfaces of both components are pretty big, plus the steel they use is extremely tough. I have lots of rounds through my NPAP DF with a Wolff extra power recoil spring in it. There is absolutely no signs of abnormal wear in those areas. The carrier slammed home countless of times on a empty chamber. I always have an eye on the inner workings of anything mechanical I own.

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I doubt that a stronger AK recoil spring hurts the carrier and/or front trunnion. The contact surfaces of both components are pretty big, plus the steel they use is extremely tough. I have lots of rounds through my NPAP DF with a Wolff extra power recoil spring in it. There is absolutely no signs of abnormal wear in those areas. The carrier slammed home countless of times on a empty chamber. I always have an eye on the inner workings of anything mechanical I own.
cool. good to know. I'm tempted on picking up a DF underfolder and wanted to mitigate the trunnion issues Rob had with a Wolff spring
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cool. good to know. I'm tempted on picking up a DF underfolder and wanted to mitigate the trunnion issues Rob had with a Wolff spring
Do you happen to remember in what video Rob talked about this trunnion problem? I am curious to where exactly on the trunnion this problem was.
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Do you happen to remember in what video Rob talked about this trunnion problem? I am curious to where exactly on the trunnion this problem was.
it was his 5,000 round test of the N-pap. he had a crack on the frame/rear trunnion area that he attributed to the carrier smashing back in the trunnion repeatedly

(he also showed a pic later that I can't find that showed the crack was actually extending INTO that sunken rivet hole and circling all the way around)

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Thanks wormraper, yeah I remember that. I thought you meant the front trunnion. That rivet on the regular npap is possioned in a very stupid place. Way too close to the dust cover release button. No wonder that receiver cracked. The npap df would never have this problem because its rear trunnion rivets are further away from that button.

There are rules in aviation and other fields on the minimal space allowed between rivets, holes, screws, etc.
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that's what I figured as well. those two rivets are WAY too close together and way too close to the top of the receiver. something the three rivet DF doesn't have... I figure that with it and a XP spring it should mitigate those issues.... it's between that and the Atlantic arms Romanian underfolders they have
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Npap DF and Npap rifle. Both great guns.
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Does the Npap have a rear stock tang? Or is it a bolt through attachment?
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No tang.
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Change out the factory wood on either to period Balken wood. As others have stated and it changes the look dramatically. Npaps are great guns, love all mine.
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Anyone know if NPAP is silencer friendly? As in concentric threads and able to handle the back pressure?
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Also ordered a tapco retaining plate for trigger pins
I've read that plate won't fit in Yugos. The Red Star Arms retaining plate will fit for sure.
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