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Old 10-25-2017, 04:41 PM   #1
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Default Chinese AK vs Russian AK video from Russia

Me and a friend of mine recently started a project - series of videos about AKs from different countries: China, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, etc.
A little bit of history, some technical details.


And here is the youtube version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHfa1RDNyss

Suggestions are welcome.

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Old 10-25-2017, 05:26 PM   #2
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Is that you in the video? If so, where is the cool Russian accent?
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:21 PM   #3
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Yes, that is me.
As for Russian accent - FPSRussia is still out there somewhere, so talking about guns with Russian accent might get me in trouble for intellectual property infringement
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:38 PM   #4
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If you're going to post these videos, you might review how to post YT videos here.
You asked for suggestions.
Plus, we just had this argument about Chinese AK yesterday and the day before.
Chinese AKs are quite a prize here and we were never imported Russian AKMs complete.
VEPRs and Saigas are great, but I'm talking AKM.
And yes I know a Chinese stamped AK is not an AKM.
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If you're going to post these videos, you might review how to post YT videos here.

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Plus, we just had this argument about Chinese AK yesterday and the day before.

Chinese AKs are quite a prize here and we were never imported Russian AKMs complete.

VEPRs and Saigas are great, but I'm talking AKM.

And yes I know a Chinese stamped AK is not an AKM.
Really, the question of Chinese AKs quality really puzzles me.

Back in the day, I worked in Iraq, Afghanistan and some African countries as an AK armorer. As you can imagine, I've seen and repaired hundreds of Chinese Aks.

And most of them really weren't that good. Milled guns from factory 26 were great, factory 386 guns are very decent with very few exceptions, but everything else was not impressive at all.

My guess would be that US got the best stuff. Socialist economy is perfectly capable of doing that. In Soviet Russia, people were purposely looking for cars made for export markets, cause the quality was just so much better.
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:55 PM   #6
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Cool video, yeah seems like modern production chicoms aren't nearly as good as they used to be. Thanks for sharing! Really wish we could of gotten real Soviet Russian AKMs.
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Really, the question of Chinese AKs quality really puzzles me.

Back in the day, I worked in Iraq, Afghanistan and some African countries as an AK armorer. As you can imagine, I've seen and repaired hundreds of Chinese Aks.

And most of them really weren't that good. Milled guns from factory 26 were great, factory 386 guns are very decent with very few exceptions, but everything else was not impressive at all.

My guess would be that US got the best stuff. Socialist economy is perfectly capable of doing that. In Soviet Russia, people were purposely looking for cars made for export markets, cause the quality was just so much better.
I will also agree a lot remained unfired for years.
Funny, as your video mentioned, I had an NHM91 that had the retaining pin falling out of the bolt.
I know it's an easy fix, that was my first AK.
Sorry it's gone too.
Still love some Chinese AK.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:17 PM   #8
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I will also agree a lot remained unfired for years.
Funny, as your video mentioned, I had an NHM91 that had the retaining pin falling out of the bolt.
I know it's an easy fix, that was my first AK.
Sorry it's gone too.
Still love some Chinese AK.
Thanks, great to know I am not the only one who had this exact problem.

I love milled Chinese AKs. In my reports they were referred as "MB" - "milled beauty"
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Old 10-25-2017, 09:31 PM   #9
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Great video! Enjoyed the extra details about the Chinese Aks. It is interesting though, that the Chinese Aks that were imported here in the 80s and 90s; were very good quality ones.

I love my Mak 90 btw. Chinese Aks are awesome!
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:05 PM   #10
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Great vid!!!!! Glad you are here!

Only QC issue I have witnessed on a Chicom AK, is one example that had a loose FSB...this was many years ago. Prob had a hundred go thru my hands since.
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Great video Vladimir, very cool to have a Kalashnikov Concern employee here, welcome!
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:26 PM   #12
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That was cool! Want more.
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:50 PM   #13
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I have heard both good and bad things about Chinese quality. This video offers two very good reasons for this inconsistency. The first is that many different factories mean may different standards of quality. Second the Chinese paid closer attention to the guns they exported to this country.

I also want to see more of these videos.
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Could someone give me an HTML link please? thanks, cheers.
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Old 10-25-2017, 11:32 PM   #15
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Firing pin fell out? You sure it wasn't messed with to begin with. The only time I've seen that happen was with a Springfield M1A.
It was an interesting video thank you.
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I have a different opinion, I noticed that Chinese Ak's with Chinese selector markings where of superior quality to ones with Latin markings.
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I would like to watch this video. Could someone post the HTML link? I did try googling the OP's screen name + youtube, but nothing...well nothing at all gun related at least, came up.
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Old 10-26-2017, 04:18 AM   #18
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I would like to watch this video. Could someone post the HTML link? I did try googling the OP's screen name + youtube, but nothing...well nothing at all gun related at least, came up.
Here is the original link:
https://kalashnikov.media/en/media/videolibrary/4516567
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Old 10-26-2017, 06:57 AM   #19
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Thanks for the video.
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Good video OP!
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:21 AM   #21
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Good vid. Needs moar pew though. Looking forward to more!
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I like the Chicoms primarily because they all have an AK-47 profile/furniture instead of AKM. For some reason I don’t find the AKM to be very attractive.
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Thanks for the video! I've always had great luck with Chinese AK's. Never any problems.
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Most people never had any problems with chicoms in the US because they were never problematic to begin with. Russians not liking Chinese aks doesn’t really mean much and is pretty expected imo. Type 56s in the wild look bad cause they’re cheap and treated bad and I’d argue they’re probably used the most out of any other variants. That blued finish simply needs a little more care than park/painted, and chu wood isn’t as good as the hard polish or Russian wood so they simply are gonna show a lot more wear in those harsh environments, but aside from that they all work the same at the end of the day.
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Video not supported? What am I missing here? Clicked on the link above too and no joy...
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Most people never had any problems with chicoms in the US because they were never problematic to begin with. Russians not liking Chinese aks doesn’t really mean much and is pretty expected imo. Type 56s in the wild look bad cause they’re cheap and treated bad and I’d argue they’re probably used the most out of any other variants. That blued finish simply needs a little more care than park/painted, and chu wood isn’t as good as the hard polish or Russian wood so they simply are gonna show a lot more wear in those harsh environments, but aside from that they all work the same at the end of the day.

Some time ago, I spoke to a school buddy of my son's. He went into the Navy after HS, and is an armorer for the teams.

He told me that they use ChiCom AKMs almost exclusively over other AKM variants...


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Some time ago, I spoke to a school buddy of my son's. He went into the Navy after HS, and is an armorer for the teams.

He told me that they use ChiCom AKMs almost exclusively over other AKM variants...


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Interesting! Yeah I mean I really enjoyed the video and I definitely want more, but comparing old beat up used Type 56s to minty Soviet Russian AKMs isn’t really fair lol. Chinese aks more than any other variants world wide I believe have been subjected to the worst treatment, used and abused in the worst parts of the world by literally everyone. Simply because of the sheer amount of them out there, they dwarf the numbers of any other variant. From Vietnam, to the Middle East, and Africa they’ve proven their worth to me as a civilian living in the U.S, in addition to the reputation they’ve built here over the last few decades.
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...an armorer for the teams...told me that they use ChiCom AKMs almost exclusively over other AKM variants...
I can neither confirm nor deny, but I don't doubt it, this isn't the first time I've read this.
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I have a different opinion, I noticed that Chinese Ak's with Chinese selector markings where of superior quality to ones with Latin markings.
Well of course those ones are better. They are the ones they are keeping for themselves
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As stated in the other thread, all the Chinese AKs I've come across including mine are simply better made and smoother than WASRs and even Arsenals. I haven't played with the older Russian guns though.

Type 56 is one of the most prolific AK variants out there and I highly doubt only the ones imported to the US are good when the NVA and VC Type 56s kept running while the original M16s failed and got GIs killed. (Yes the M16 is a sound design but jackass politicians and high ranking officers wanted to sabotage it, why I despise and mistrust all politicians) Isn't the Type 56 in VN the big reason why the US went with the M16 and eventually 30rd mags for it in the first place?
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Tankboy makes a good point about the less durable finish and wood on Chinese AKs. Anybody in the market for Chinese wood or rifles probably as noticed that even NOS chu wood is often marred. By way of contrast I have gotten Russian laminated pieces with almost all of the finish worn off that are as good as new after a new coat of shellac.
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Use a ChiCom if you wanna make sure it's dead.




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Tankboy makes a good point about the less durable finish and wood on Chinese AKs. Anybody in the market for Chinese wood or rifles probably as noticed that even NOS chu wood is often marred. By way of contrast I have gotten Russian laminated pieces with almost all of the finish worn off that are as good as new after a new coat of shellac.
It's not even that the finish is necessarily bad, you just can't leave it unattended w/o some type of rust preventative stuff on it, especially in hot humid conditions. Which really that's for all blued finishes, and for the people around the world mostly using these, they could care less.
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