Go Back   The AK Files Forums > Rifle Forums > AK-47s

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-09-2017, 11:09 AM   #1
MIR
Member
 
AKaholic #: 189910
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 36
Default Arsenal SA M7 or Colt AR15A4

A while back I was considering buying a (ban rifle) Arsenal SA M7 carbine. this rifle has the pinned on SLR-95 type muzzle compensator, no bayonet lug, no scope rail--and has a milled receiver. It is built like a tank, very high quality AK he said he would sell it to me for 800.00.
Then I thought about the surplus 7.62 ammo importation situation, that may or may not get more restricted. ( I could be worrying for nothing, I dont know) but it may be something to consider--who knows.

Just the other day I bought my first AR platform rifle---A Colt LE6920---- and since I was going to buy another rifle anyway, I am now crossed between the
Arsenal SA M7 Carbine and a Colt AR15A4. I already have a Arsenal SAS7 UF--- milled receiver--bayonet lug,threaded muzzle---I love it and have shot it only a few times.

If that is--IF-- 7.62 becomes harder to get with more import restrictions ammo may be harder to get or more expensive or both..... parts to may be a consideration as well. ---If God forbid--the democrats get back in power in 2020---- I could see this happening---because they are going to ban everything they can. Especially if we have more shootings with "assault rifles"--I think even some Republicans are going to cave on this eventually.....

5.56 on the other hand may be much more accessible, AR parts are plentiful----

So there you go, those are my considerations----

What would you do---which is the better investment and the wiser choice----?
MIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 11:16 AM   #2
dArK 47
Curio & Relic
 
dArK 47's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 167665
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 2,428
Default

Add another Pony. Your Arsenal has you good to go - just lay in some spare parts.

Dont think about these as "investments" in the money-sense. If things get bad, these are worth more than a wad of paper. Also, in a real SHTF world, trading guns and ammo would get you targeted really quick.
dArK 47 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 11:18 AM   #3
newbaby
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 155219
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: frankfort, ky
Posts: 953
Default

If it were me, I would go ahead and get the Arsenal SA M7 Carbine. IF in the even the ammo ban comes into play, you could always have the chance to sell it later, and get the Colt and 5.56 ammo.
newbaby is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 11:44 AM   #4
scottyhipockets
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 183252
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 501
Default

SA M7's were made in America, the current SAM7's are made in Bulgaria. I'm not sure this matters to you, just understand what you'd be getting. I'm a bit biased toward the made in Bulgaria SAM7's, this is just personal preference. I'd take the Colt A4 over a fancy "kit gun" any day.
scottyhipockets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 01:12 PM   #5
genxgixxer
Curio & Relic
 
genxgixxer's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 179329
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: reno, nevada
Posts: 2,890
Default

Lately i've been expanding my AR collection, AK's have gotten out of hand price wise and honestly i'm a bit bored of them. I am concentrating on vintage 5.56 weapons now.
__________________
"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry."
Sent from 52 area
genxgixxer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 01:56 PM   #6
MIR
Member
 
AKaholic #: 189910
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 36
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by genxgixxer View Post
Lately i've been expanding my AR collection, AK's have gotten out of hand price wise and honestly i'm a bit bored of them. I am concentrating on vintage 5.56 weapons now.
I will agree with you on that---prices for AK's have gone through the roof...... and just think for about 10 years on and off, back in the 90's and early 2000's, I owned several Polytech Legends(it was my favorite AK---Love the type III) , I can remember paying 8-900.00 for a NIB one and I complained about it......wish now I had kept the SA Kassners,the Maadis,the Legends, the type 56's---darn and sold every darn one of them...and since being out of the AK groove since about 2000...... I look at the prices of those now and almost fainted.....

I will probably go with the Colt AR15A4..... I still love my Arsenal SAS-7 UF though, just kinda wish I had a full stock AK...... I keep looking to Arsenal for new AK's coming out....but it doesnt seem they are going to be making any more.......and that is a real shame!!!!!
MIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 02:17 PM   #7
craigntx
team ftp
 
AKaholic #: 45512
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cypress tx
Posts: 1,800
Default

I have half a dozen 6920 an a4 and I'm $200 from finishing the layaway on a sam7 uf at buds. Can't go wrong with any of them
__________________
it is at our most challenging times, that we must cheat our very hardest"
eric cartman
craigntx is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 02:30 PM   #8
Bakwa
Veteran Member
Bronze Contributor
 
Bakwa's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 190595
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: The Swamp, FL
Posts: 1,249
Default

I'd get the a4 over a kit gun. That is unless I just really wanted something made from the particular parts from that kit.
__________________
محارب
Ounces equal pounds, & pounds equal pain.
Bakwa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 02:51 PM   #9
Cartel
Veteran Member
 
Cartel's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 164753
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,087
Default

AR15A4
Cartel is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 03:08 PM   #10
Just a Citizen
Not the Sharpest Crayon in the box.
 
Just a Citizen's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 173954
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: PA
Posts: 4,465
Default

AR
__________________
"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)
Just a Citizen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 04:21 PM   #11
Fire4Effect
Tap, rack, bang
 
Fire4Effect's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 181925
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Michigan
Posts: 4,853
Default

A4 is tits. Do it!
__________________
USMC 0311 2001 - 2005
Fire4Effect is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 10:04 PM   #12
brewster411
Member
 
AKaholic #: 180722
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 169
Default

Now's the time to buy AR15s. They can't go much cheaper!
brewster411 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 10:33 PM   #13
SawedOffYankeePrick
Bringer Of Fuck
 
SawedOffYankeePrick's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 180365
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 1,517
Default

Duh, it’s almost Christmas! Get the colt. Cheapest they’ve been in years.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatsbysak View Post
Reporting a post is gayer than cum on a mustache
SawedOffYankeePrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 10:59 PM   #14
mishaco
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 190226
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 990
Default

What I don't like about that SA M-7 Carbine is that it is a ban model. Not only does that remind me of the dark days of the AWB, it really hurts the value/worth/resale. You can get a NIB no-ban SAM7R for under $1,200 and a used one for $1,000ish. Extra money well spent IMO.

The Colt AR15 a4s are starting to dry up again, and Colt's financial footing is extremely shaky these days. Who knows their future and how many more civilian semis they'll put out? That combined with low prices right now, why not?

As to ammo, i've not bought 7.62x39 surplus in a decade. I've stuck with modern commercial stuff and that's been fine.

With so many AK, SKS, Mini-30, and other X39 owners in the USA; trust me some company will always be selling inexpensive ammo to feed the need. Its just business sense. Besides, no reason to worry and go gray over worrying about "What If"s. Just deal with things if and when they happen.

As to things in 2020....boy I tell you, 2008-2016 was so bad huh? So many new laws and all the imports got shut down right?
Face it, Democrats talk big about gun controll, but its mostly just that, talk. Ever since Clinton shut his dick in a door by signing the AWB in 1994 and the Dems basically lost the South, that party has been pretty scared of actually passing new laws. Not saying many in it don't want them, just that they are ineffective, lazy, and corrupt.

Likewise, the Republicans talk big about gun rights and the gun public, but actually do very little to help us...even sometimes working against us.
Is it time i bring up the 1989 import ban signed by Bush again?

We are not safe just because the Republicans have control of most of the gov't right now. We have to remain vigilant all the time.
Politicians are not our friends, neither Dem or Rep.
mishaco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 11:10 PM   #15
raggedwhole!
Blue eyed devil
 
raggedwhole!'s Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 172787
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Islamarxistan
Posts: 4,280
Default

Agree 100% with Mishaco on his various points.
I prefer AKMs over ARs but I would get the Colt.
7.62 will always be available imho.
__________________
"Communism is the death of the soul. It is the organization of total conformity -in short, of tyranny- and it is committed to making tyranny universal."
Adlai Stevenson
raggedwhole! is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2017, 02:14 PM   #16
Triathloncoach
Member
Bronze Contributor
 
AKaholic #: 186291
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Hotlanta, Georgia
Posts: 357
Default

I also agree with Mishaco. But I think before Colt forever shuts its doors, someone will buy the brand and keep the ARs and the 1911s going.

Buy what you want. Flip a coin, while the coin is in the air you will know which you want more.
__________________
Just hanging with my dogs
Triathloncoach is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2017, 05:10 PM   #17
vaktathi
Member
 
AKaholic #: 176848
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: OR
Posts: 126
Default

The big issue to me is that Colt's of late have been seeing increasingly more and more subcontracted, non-Colt parts, and Colt itself is basically a shell company being sucked dry of any and all value by its shareholders before they discard its withered husk and move on. If you're looking for a shooter, the M16A4 may be a bit more questionable if it's newer manufacture. If you're looking for a roll-mark and a potential investment before Colt is flushed forever, it may be a good buy.
__________________
There is little more stupid looking than M4 stocks hamfisted onto AK's.
vaktathi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2017, 05:58 PM   #18
skillet24
Member
 
AKaholic #: 191989
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lynchburg, Virginia
Posts: 70
Default

I think the colt is better for the money. Arsenals are cool but it's hard to justify the cost compared to other ak's. I just don't think any commercially make ak is worth 1200-1300 except the milled chicoms. That being said I'll get one eventually to fill the bulgy gap in my collection but I'd pick the colt first. AR's are cheap, get them now.
skillet24 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2017, 01:31 AM   #19
mishaco
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 190226
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 990
Default

I've never had any trouble selling an Arsenal for what I had in it or even for some profit...and I am talking about personal guns, not something from the store.

So agree with it or not (and not saying you're wrong either) but the market ahs determined that Arsenals are indeed worth the money.
That said, AWB compliant versions bring significantly less than standard ones, so why even bother with one? Plus assembled in NV rather than BG. Its a personal thing, but I like the real McCoys as I have said.

As to the AR15 A4, Colt has never made them in huge numbers. They seem to release a batch once or twice a year, and then they dry up for months.
During such dry spells, I've seen NIB examples fetch as much as $2k on Gunbroker, no shit, no joke and not during a scare time either. With Colt's future very uncertain right now, a long dry spell might be coming too.

Look what happened with the LE6920 SOCOM. They were $1,100 NIB when in production and shipping; but jumped up to $1,600-$1,800 fast after they disappeared.

Like it or not, Colt's name is its biggest asset and selling point.
mishaco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2017, 05:40 AM   #20
flakman
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 190767
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Davie, FL
Posts: 518
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MIR View Post
A while back I was considering buying a (ban rifle) Arsenal SA M7 carbine. this rifle has the pinned on SLR-95 type muzzle compensator, no bayonet lug, no scope rail--and has a milled receiver. It is built like a tank, very high quality AK he said he would sell it to me for 800.00.
Then I thought about the surplus 7.62 ammo importation situation, that may or may not get more restricted. ( I could be worrying for nothing, I dont know) but it may be something to consider--who knows.

Just the other day I bought my first AR platform rifle---A Colt LE6920---- and since I was going to buy another rifle anyway, I am now crossed between the
Arsenal SA M7 Carbine and a Colt AR15A4. I already have a Arsenal SAS7 UF--- milled receiver--bayonet lug,threaded muzzle---I love it and have shot it only a few times.

If that is--IF-- 7.62 becomes harder to get with more import restrictions ammo may be harder to get or more expensive or both..... parts to may be a consideration as well. ---If God forbid--the democrats get back in power in 2020---- I could see this happening---because they are going to ban everything they can. Especially if we have more shootings with "assault rifles"--I think even some Republicans are going to cave on this eventually.....

5.56 on the other hand may be much more accessible, AR parts are plentiful----

So there you go, those are my considerations----

What would you do---which is the better investment and the wiser choice----?
arsenal
flakman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2017, 06:39 PM   #21
BEY
Member
 
AKaholic #: 174714
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 29
Default

You could get one the Mexico branded Colt 6920 for $700, at gundeals.com. If there still available.
BEY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2017, 09:37 PM   #22
hamdizle
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 78202
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: minneapolis, minnesota usa
Posts: 564
Default

I'd spring for the colt. The ar15a4 is the next AR on my list. I think that rife will be rare in the years to come. And it's just bad ass.
hamdizle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2017, 10:28 PM   #23
Worm
Curio & Relic
 
Worm's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 170245
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,080
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MIR View Post
I will agree with you on that---prices for AK's have gone through the roof...... and just think for about 10 years on and off, back in the 90's and early 2000's, I owned several Polytech Legends(it was my favorite AK---Love the type III) , I can remember paying 8-900.00 for a NIB one and I complained about it......wish now I had kept the SA Kassners,the Maadis,the Legends, the type 56's---darn and sold every darn one of them...and since being out of the AK groove since about 2000...... I look at the prices of those now and almost fainted.....

I will probably go with the Colt AR15A4..... I still love my Arsenal SAS-7 UF though, just kinda wish I had a full stock AK...... I keep looking to Arsenal for new AK's coming out....but it doesnt seem they are going to be making any more.......and that is a real shame!!!!!
Several legends? And I kick myself for letting my one Poly AKS-762 go. Oh man. I'm so sorry. It happens though. We all do it.
__________________
If something isn't broken, the government will fix it until it is.
Worm is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2017, 10:31 PM   #24
Worm
Curio & Relic
 
Worm's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 170245
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,080
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by skillet24 View Post
I think the colt is better for the money. Arsenals are cool but it's hard to justify the cost compared to other ak's. I just don't think any commercially make ak is worth 1200-1300 except the milled chicoms. That being said I'll get one eventually to fill the bulgy gap in my collection but I'd pick the colt first. AR's are cheap, get them now.
Meh, while price one would pay is obviously subjective, I'd say the milled Bulgies are worth that price. Then the rational side of me kicks in and realizes that other third world countries pay $20 for FA Ak's and it makes me seriously question that opinion. But yeah, I agree about the milled chicoms. Beautiful rifles.
__________________
If something isn't broken, the government will fix it until it is.
Worm is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2017, 03:50 AM   #25
4mula
Curio & Relic
 
AKaholic #: 183879
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: on my chair
Posts: 6,810
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by brewster411 View Post
Now's the time to buy AR15s. They can't go much cheaper!
They have actually started to slowly creep up.
I agree that now is the time to buy anything AR/M4
__________________
5.56 posts per day
4mula is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2017, 04:47 PM   #26
Curt2u
Fanboy of nothing
 
Curt2u's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 176158
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: WA, State
Posts: 975
Default

Only correct answer is get both. Duh.
Curt2u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2017, 10:59 PM   #27
Hairy Guttcrack
Member
 
Hairy Guttcrack's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 194242
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: A workshop in Khyber Pass
Posts: 34
Default

I built an a4 just for fun, but absolutely fell in love with it. The m16a4 length and a2 handgurds are super light and handy(though I added an m5). You won't regret a stock m16a4/ar15a4.
__________________
AR>AK
Hairy Guttcrack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2017, 11:54 PM   #28
Flankenstein
Curio & Relic
 
Flankenstein's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 172491
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Rocky Mountains
Posts: 8,693
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vaktathi View Post
The big issue to me is that Colt's of late have been seeing increasingly more and more subcontracted, non-Colt parts, and Colt itself
You're ill-informed. Models with outsourced parts are known and the A4 certainly isn't one of them. Get back in the corner.
__________________
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
- Thomas Jefferson-
Flankenstein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2017, 12:54 AM   #29
scottyhipockets
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 183252
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 501
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flankenstein View Post
You're ill-informed. Models with outsourced parts are known and the A4 certainly isn't one of them. Get back in the corner.

I'd guess "Expanse" is the one this guy was thinking about, not the A4
scottyhipockets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2017, 01:19 AM   #30
WAguns
Veteran Member
 
WAguns's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 183147
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 1,248
Default

20" AR15s are just so nice to shoot. Get the Colt.
WAguns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2017, 02:45 PM   #31
mishaco
Senior Member
 
AKaholic #: 190226
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 990
Default

Unfortunately, he isn't so illinformed. LE6920s have started to show up w/o C marked BCGs and some other parts don't have full Colt proofs these days either.
I've yet to see this with an AR15 A4, but have observed it first hand with M4 variants made 2017.

Also, i feel like enough of you aren't getting hung up on the fact that the Arsenal SA M-7 he's asking about in this OP is a 'ban style' model. So no bayo lug and no removable muzzle device. Those things really impact its value/worth on the secondary market, especially with full featured SAM7Rs still available for under $1.2k new and $1.0k Used.
mishaco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2017, 02:56 PM   #32
Flankenstein
Curio & Relic
 
Flankenstein's Avatar
 
AKaholic #: 172491
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Rocky Mountains
Posts: 8,693
Default

Expanse and competition rifles are outsourced (both parts and assembly). Nothing else. Colt is and has beenmismanaged for an awful long time now but that's another issue that i won't address or defend.
__________________
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
- Thomas Jefferson-
Flankenstein is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©1998-2017 The AK FIles