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Old 11-23-2017, 08:26 AM   #1
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Default SLR107 vs another Atlantic WBP CG1 or morrissey WBP

This topic has been somewhat beaten to death as of late but upcoming product availability should make this a viable discussion. Having ~$1000 to drop on a new AKM which would you choose assuming price point on the CG1 or classic/Russian red Atlantic WBP offerings stay around $1059 and SLR107 comes back in stock around the $900-$1000 price point? Would you buy another CG1 or WBP variant from Atlantic if you already own one as I do or "diversify" with the SLR107? For those who say "get both or all variants"-I get it, but dropping another 3K is probably not an option for most folks. Happy Thanksgiving!

-Fit and finish will obviously go to the Atlantic WBP unless Arsenal has changed their ways in the last year. But which would have better durability or hold its value better longer term if there's even a difference?
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:38 AM   #2
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The arsenal will hold value longer but who cares? AK is meant to dig for roots to eat between battles. Plus in 30 years every gun we own will have to be tightly hidden away unless we hand them off to younger idealistic wolverines.
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The arsenal will hold value longer but who cares? AK is meant to dig for roots to eat between battles. Plus in 30 years every gun we own will have to be tightly hidden away unless we hand them off to younger idealistic wolverines.
How about the next time the Dimshits are in power,they will get the guns,they can't control an armed populace.
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It's a no brainer to go with the WBP CG1 or Classic over the 107. I have both and for the umpteenth time the CG1 is a lot better rifle for the money. I don't hate my 107 it's just in no way made as good as the WBP. It's your money and choice. I'm just telling you the flat truth in comparing the two hands on and shooting.I have more than 1 Arsenal so I should be able to assess them all. WBP ALL DAY over a 107.
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Ok, here's my 107-11:



Here's first rounds through to zero:



My SAM 7sf:




My first 3 rnds out of the box to zero@ 25 yrds:



My WBP Classic:



Zero test target @25 yrds:



My CG1 unfired as of yet:



I know quality in the build and shooting and can at least tell when some are more accurate than others. You have to make your own decision, but I hope this helps you make a more educated one. Good luck with whatever you choose, may it serve you well.
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I’d take the 107.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:10 PM   #7
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Id take the 107.
Have it. 6 months from now I'll probably sell mine for enough to buy 2 more WBP's. Nice too hear the following of the 107 is of such great interest. Make it easier to sell.
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When I bought the SLR107-11 at the original price point of $850, and comparing it with
my WBP Classic I was somewhat dismayed. I had expected the same build quality that
I received in the form of my Sam7-SF. However I felt that the SLR107-11 was not built with the same quality, and was overpriced and compared more closely with the WASR 10 then the WBP.
Gun to gun, as HK-91 has already said, the WBP is indeed the better value.
However things would really get out of hand if the SLR price jumped to $1000, an
the the argument becomes pointless. IMHO the WBP would be the better choice.
I own 3 Arsenal’s including the SLR107-11 and both the WBP CG1 and the Classic, so I hope I'm speaking from an objective viewpoint.


The guns are equal when it comes to combloc parts incorporated and should be durable and perform equally well.

When you say you already own the CG1, the SLR becomes interesting on the basis of the SLR’s history, and with its relatively low production and current
availability it may a viable choice at $850, if one is available.
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For me the SLR107-11 is disqualified because I would much rather wait and get an SLR107FR with its folding stock and AK74 style compensator, when they return. Obviously you can buy the parts and have the fixed stock SLR converted but doing so would cost close to as much as the 107-11 cost in the first place. You can justify spending $750 or so to convert a fixed stock SGL21 because of the scarcity and sky high pricing on a factory SGL21-94. But you can't justify spending that much (or actually more because you would need to buy the AK74 style FSB and compensator for the fixed stock SLR) when the SLR107FR is likely to cost about $150 more than the SLR107-11.

Besides an authentic Polish AKM is just plain flat cool and gorgeous! They are up there with their Russian rifles counterparts far as I am concerned.
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Depends. Classic AK=WBP. AK-103 clone=SLR-107F/FR. SLR-107-11 is a AK-103 with a fixed stock styled like a modernized AKM.
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Depends. Classic AK=WBP. AK-103 clone=SLR-107F/FR. SLR-107-11 is a AK-103 with a fixed stock styled like a modernized AKM.

Actually they are all AKMs. The AK103 utilizes a special AK74 style bolt and trunnion. The various 7.62 Saigas utilize this bolt and trunnion and as such are more or less sporterized AK103s (more in the case of the IZ132, less in the case of an SGL 21 an a lot less in the case of the folding stock SGL21-94). The SLR107FR has a 90 degree gas block, AK74 style compensator and a side folding stock. It looks like an AK103 but it is a very different rifle.
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Have it. 6 months from now I'll probably sell mine for enough to buy 2 more WBP's. Nice too hear the following of the 107 is of such great interest. Make it easier to sell.
Meh WBPs dont do much for me. Possibly overhyped.
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Meh WBPs don’t do much for me. Possibly overhyped.
Many folks who actually handle the WBP are impressed, as was I.
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I'm also in this predicament. I am still leaning towards the WBP. The reason is that everyone here seems to comment on the 107 quality being lower than expected. The 'value' argument carries low weight with me. I have never sold a gun I've bought and never will. Even guns that are not my favorites were decided purchases. Also I want a shooter not an heirloom/investment. Of course the WBP has to be in stock for a purchase decision to happen. :-)
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Arsenal LV informed me last month the SLR's in Fr's Ur's Cr's, are done for. A few pistols and F's that will be about it for awhile. I had and have cash in hand for a UR after a month and a half of not finding a minty one I went and bought another SLR107fr to bargin my way to getting a UR.
I would grab em while you can, from what I was told, your going to wait awhile to see anymore SLR's like we had in the past.

We will see.
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:22 AM   #16
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Many folks who actually handle the WBP are impressed, as was I.
Id rather have a military polish kit with Radom bbl over a wbp. All the wbp is, is just a well built parts kit from commercially made parts so its meh for me as long as I have those other options.
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Id rather have a military polish kit with Radom bbl over a wbp. All the wbp is, is just a well built parts kit from commercially made parts so its meh for me as long as I have those other options.
I'm sorry, but can somebody explain what makes a WBP Forged trunion parts kit not mil spec aside from the fact that they have never made a rifle that was issued to a military force?
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I'm sorry, but can somebody explain what makes a WBP Forged trunion parts kit not mil spec aside from the fact that they have never made a rifle that was issued to a military force?
Is that the one with the bullet guide machined into it instead of being a separate riveted piece?

I think the cast ones were like that but I don't know about the forged one.

Is it forged into shape, or is it completely machined from bar stock?
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Id rather have a military polish kit with Radom bbl over a wbp. All the wbp is, is just a well built parts kit from commercially made parts so its meh for me as long as I have those other options.
Hmmm, about the same price? The wait tho.
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I have an old slr107 FR from the first year they where released I think it was 2008? Excellent rifle rifle and the only arsenal I have left except and old pair of milled SA93s. Sounds like the new kit builds are nice fit and finish wise but I prefer my older foreign imports. I do have 2 kit builds a Tommy g Khyber pass with Russian folder and an original barrel polish uf I got the kits from an awesome member here a while back.

It's interesting seeing all the old inspection proofs on imported rifles and comparing them to current commercial kit builds makes me think of comparing classic muscle cars to the modern copies. The new ones perform great but seem to lack personality and soul.
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im curious, i typically dont think 25 yard groups tell you much about any rifle. Was 25 all you had to work with?
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Zero at 100 Meters aka 109 Yards on sight setting #1


If you zero at 25 you could very easily still be off at 100,the error will only continue to be magnified the further you go out as well, 25 is way to close to zero.
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Anybody that can shoot stretched these Atlantic WBP's out to 100 + yards and have targets to show? Had SLR 107's and 3 to 3.5 MOA were norm for me w/o any special setups.
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Zero at 100 Meters aka 109 Yards on sight setting #1


If you zero at 25 you could very easily still be off at 100,the error will only continue to be magnified the further you go out as well, 25 is way to close to zero.
He may not care to calibrate to the rear sight scale. A 25 yard zero is pretty close to a 200 yard zero. Probably more like a 175 yard zero. Seems pretty good to me.
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I have none of these rifles. So no dog in the fight really, but this topic has been brought up dozens of times since I became a member(and while I lurked for sometime). The overwhelming opinion is that while both are no doubt quality rifles, either of Atlantic's offerings will have the higher quality feel. Which makes sense, they are built by experienced U.S. smiths and will have a higher attention to detail than a factory made gun.
However from a collection standpoint the factory built rifle will hold its value better over time. Hypothetical Import bans or just plain lack of supply such as what we have been currently experiencing will keep that "$850" rifle at an inflated value. Atlantic has a winner on their hands with these WBP builds. Every one I see looks great and if I had to put my money on either the SLR or WBP it would be the WBP. I would support a valued member of this community and the domestic AK market over Arsenal at this point. My $.02
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Are the SLRs made from military issued parts? I see serial numbers on the front trunnions and dust cover and I only thought mil issued ak parts get serializing. Or are they made from all new parts?
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They are brand new guns.
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Get on the list gents, Bulgaria is sending a handfull of 107ur's Kvar's way.
Gots one reserved in plum.
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Get on the list gents, Bulgaria is sending a handfull of 107ur's Kvar's way.
Gots one reserved in plum.
Saw that in FB today...
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I'd buy the fixed stock SLR if it had a 45 degree gas block, but it does not.
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Could Arsenal rename the SLR series to something else so we can buy one in cali? Jezz
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I'd buy the fixed stock SLR if it had a 45 degree gas block, but it does not.
A 45 degree gas block would make the fixed stock SLR an authentic AKM, especially if Arsenal equipped it with a wood stock set instead of the AK100 style set it has. As it stands it's an SLR107 without some of the features that make the FR so desirable; features that are also prohibitively expensive to fit retroactively.

As it stands I would go for the Polish rifle. If the SLR107R had a 45 degree gas block, it would be a much harder choice. That rifle retrofitted with a Russian laminated birch stock set would be really sweet!
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Get on the list gents, Bulgaria is sending a handfull of 107ur's Kvar's way.
Gots one reserved in plum.
Bulgaria my ass. You really think they just sent a small quantity of rifles randomly over to the states? No.
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Bulgaria my ass. You really think they just sent a small quantity of rifles randomly over to the states? No.
Ahh sorry there Flank was it the French?
Tell us what you know, that some here do not, It would certainly provide some more insightful / accurate info on the Origins of an SLR. Not clowning or writing some khack paragraph to grab a post.
just requesting, inquiring minds wanna know!
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