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Old 11-23-2017, 11:23 AM   #1
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After looking around i was hoping to pickup a good entry level AK. Im beginning to doubt if prices will go down for the holidays.

From my research on this site and watching Rob Ski videos ive see which one's are decent
Wasr, 650 ish shipped
Yugo (although i want fixed stock and the cracking worries me), 539 shipped
PSAK 530 shipped

RAS are out of the question frankly anything with cast trunnion ill be hesistant about.

Am i missing anything or should i be looking at another brand? and when will be the best time to buy?

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Old 11-23-2017, 11:33 AM   #2
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I suggest Chinese AK's. I think any Chinese gun is fine quality. In my opinion, certainly better quality than the WASR. I have both. If you don't mind the longer barrel, NHM91 seem to sell for less than MAK90.
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:39 AM   #3
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New member as well. Just bought a mak 90 and love it. Will get a set of furniture for it soon. I don't think AK prices will ever go down. Only up probably. Just my two cents.
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:41 AM   #4
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New member as well. Just bought a mak 90 and love it. Will get a set of furniture for it soon. I don't think AK prices will ever go down. Only up probably. Just my two cents.
Where did you buy it from?
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I’d just buy the wasr right now and call it a day while you can. It’s best option for you as a newbie. MAK-90 would be good too, but more costs in the end trying to de-ban it with correct furniture and what not and then you don’t wanna buy the slant cut version either. Idk mak-90 is a good gun but not a good beginner gun. Just get the wasr while you can now, 650 really isn’t a lot.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:02 PM   #7
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Yugo NPAP from Atlantic. Great price on an excellent AK.
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Iíd just buy the wasr right now and call it a day while you can. Itís best option for you as a newbie. MAK-90 would be good too, but more costs in the end trying to de-ban it with correct furniture and what not and then you donít wanna buy the slant cut version either. Idk mak-90 is a good gun but not a good beginner gun. Just get the wasr while you can now, 650 really isnít a lot.
True 650 isnt bad but people 1 month ago got it for 550 which is what leads me to hesitate on the purchase. With stock low im inclined to think that prices are artificially high. the urgency to pickone up isnt there. i have a few other guns to keep me entertained while i look for a good entry level AK.
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Yugo NPAP from Atlantic. Great price on an excellent AK.
i was looking at the npap from classic firearms they seem to be cheaper.... and im capable of laser sighting my own rifle for the extra 30-50 dollars. Is there another reason to purchase from atlantic?
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Buy a AK or AKM built from a parts kit w a Romanian - Polish - or original barrel
Atlantic - privet party - ..........................
Well worth the extra few dollars to have a more authentic - historical rifle
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welcome
& yeah- the prices are likely to Not come down any..

i suggest you find any shooting enthusiasts in your area & ask around who has AKs that you might can get a hands on / shooting experience with, try some folders & fixed stock models

really when you are in the market for an Entry AK and want quality $600 to $700 isn't really far off from paying $1100 to $1400 for a higher end Arsenal, but IMO you aren't
-unless that really isn't in your budget.

IMO a $700 (or less) rifle shoots just as well as most any $1200+ ak rifle.*
* & by the old adage 2 is 1, and 1 is None- I would rather have 2 or more rifles that use the same rounds, mags and essential parts jic of breakage
- on that same Note - you'll likely want another AK after buying your 1st, 2nd, 3rd...

as for a century Yugo rifles having shitty wood stocks that crack
- that can be easily changed out for either surplus or iron wood stocks

look at Polish, Hungarian & Romanian and some quality rifles are being offered in sub $800 price ranges

check out https://www.leearmory.com/product-ca...mory/firearms/

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Buy a AK or AKM built from a parts kit w a Romanian - Polish - or original barrel
Atlantic - privet party - ..........................
Well worth the extra few dollars to have a more authentic - historical rifle
Can you explain to me the value of having a more authentic - historical. also a link to that rifle or what i should expect to pay would be helpful.

I have historical rifles ex. WW2 M1 garand dated Jan 45, but im mostly interested in a range toy. i didnt think having an AK would bring any type of collecter value.
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Buy what you want once.

Not sure why a cheaper or crappier AK is better for a newibie??
It's not like they have training wheels or are easier to shoot.
If any thing will have more issues or the owner will want upgrades sooner.

Buy the rifle you want that you can afford.

Obviously cost is a factor in any purchase but my advice is save for what you really want .
Nothing wrong with a Rommy but most want something nicer not long after .

My opinion is a WASR will be the least collectable and retain or gain value down the road. Simply put there nothing special and there is lots and lots of them . Again they run fine but at today's prices I'd save a little more and step it up a little.
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IMO a $700 (or less) rifle shoots just as well as most any $1200+ ak rifle.*
* & by the old adage 2 is 1, and 1 is None- I would rather have 2 or more rifles that use the same rounds, mags and essential parts jic of breakage
- on that same Note - you'll likely want another AK after buying your 1st, 2nd, 3rd...
Thats actually what got me here, i built 2 AR's and i was sent the wrong bolt carriers. after all the parts were assembled and during test firing i found out that the bolts were 7.62x39 bolts... So i built another AR to shoot the 7.62x39 and i like the way it shoots. since i buy my ammo in bulk i would like to get an AK to start shooting also.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:27 PM   #16
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Buy what you want once.

Not sure why a cheaper or crappier AK is better for a newibie??
It's not like they have training wheels or are easier to shoot.
If any thing will have more issues or the owner will want upgrades sooner.

Buy the rifle you want that you can afford.

Obviously cost is a factor in any purchase but my advice is save for what you really want .
Nothing wrong with a Rommy but most want something nicer not long after .

My opinion is a WASR will be the least collectable and retain or gain value down the road. Simply put there nothing special and there is lots and lots of them . Again they run fine but at today's prices I'd save a little more and step it up a little.
im certainly not mr money bags but I can afford alot of rifle. Im just not sure that the higher price rifles give me value for my money. Please dont take my responses as "pushing back" or ignoring your advice i just want you to be aware of what mindset im entering this with
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Wasrs can be had for $600 or less shipped if you watch sales. Just a couple months ago they were $540 shipped.

Wasr is your best bet for a new ak
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i was looking at the npap from classic firearms they seem to be cheaper.... and im capable of laser sighting my own rifle for the extra 30-50 dollars. Is there another reason to purchase from atlantic?
Yes there is, if you have a problem with a Gun purchased from them they will make it right. Customer service is some of the best in the business.

If you have a problem with Classic, good luck.
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Can you explain to me the value of having a more authentic - historical.
Its just my personal opinion
I like old stuff .... cars - boats - firearms - antiques
Ill go with old over new all day long when it comes to toys
Anyone can have the easy off the shelf new stuff
Old stuff has character
All my AKs are 78 and older ... the new guns (ARs) just collect dust
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Can you explain to me the value of having a more authentic - historical. also a link to that rifle or what i should expect to pay would be helpful.

I have historical rifles ex. WW2 M1 garand dated Jan 45, but im mostly interested in a range toy. i didnt think having an AK would bring any type of collecter value.
A kit build can offer you variants that you simply can't just buy . So if you want say a east german that is rare you can have those rare parts on replica reciver.

I imported WASR will always be a authentic factory made gun but it's just a made for export AK .
If you want a original military rifle with original military parts new or used then it's going to be based on a kit. Kits are generaly military weapons shipped here and then demilled of there full auto reciver.

If you don't think AK's are collectable look at prices on Chinese, Russain, and other no longer avaliable variants.
$250 Saigas now sell for $1500.
Even $200 Rommy imports have tripped in price in the last 7 years or so.

Even bare parts are collectable. The original barrels I used to throw out or give away are worth about $200 on up now.

Keep in mind a range toy these days is a sizable investment.
It's likely prices will go up .
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Yugo NPAP from Atlantic. Great price on an excellent AK.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:42 PM   #22
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A kit build can offer you variants that you simply can't just buy . So if you want say a east german that is rare you can have those rare parts on replica reciver.

I imported WASR will always be a authentic factory made gun but it's just a made for export AK .
If you want a original military rifle with original military parts new or used then it's going to be based on a kit. Kits are generaly military weapons shipped here and then demilled of there full auto reciver.

If you don't think AK's are collectable look at prices on Chinese, Russain, and other no longer avaliable variants.
$250 Saigas now sell for $1500.
Even $200 Rommy imports have tripped in price in the last 7 years or so.

Even bare parts are collectable. The original barrels I used to throw out or give away are worth about $200 on up now.

Keep in mind a range toy these days is a sizable investment.
It's likely prices will go up .
1Biggun a kit offers alot of quality.... im just not interested in the rarity of the most popular rifle in the world.
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Then why shell out around $800 for the most common rifle in the world.
Clearly desire and collector value has driven up prices or they would be $200 still.

There is a differance between most popular and most common.
There are likely a 100 million AKS not because that many people wanted one but becuase that's what a communist government gave them to use and they were cheap and easy to build.

About any POS AK will run just fine.
It's one thing to not care what you get when it was $200 it's another when it's $700
If you didn't care about value or cost then why are you budget shopping . A range toy is still a investment unless your rich .
Judging by your post your not.
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I’d just buy the wasr right now and call it a day while you can. It’s best option for you as a newbie. MAK-90 would be good too, but more costs in the end trying to de-ban it with correct furniture and what not and then you don’t wanna buy the slant cut version either. Idk mak-90 is a good gun but not a good beginner gun. Just get the wasr while you can now, 650 really isn’t a lot.
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Buy a WASR from Atlantic Firearms, that’s your best bet.
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Don’t get to hung up on the choice, as long as it’s an import! Get a WASR or a NPAP if that fits your budget, and get more later. Shoot your new AK clone, get proficient with it and remember its a hobby and have fun.

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More Words of wisdom, nice collection Glashaus^^^^^^^^.
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Kit build from Atlantic (WBP is very nice)

WASR

Yugo NPAP
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WASR. You can keep the stock rims on it or put Chrome mag wheels and it will run just the same. Pretty much every aftermarket part or furniture will fit or interchange with a WASR.
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Thanks HDH! I had needed a new group picture! Hopefully some new AK variations will be available soon, it has been a little while since I have picked up a new one!
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i was looking at the npap from classic firearms they seem to be cheaper.... and im capable of laser sighting my own rifle for the extra 30-50 dollars. Is there another reason to purchase from atlantic?
Atlantic and Classic are both good places to buy from. My experiences from Atlantic have been positive, they ship quick, great customer service, and fair prices. Also their quality inspections mean allot and they do it for free.
Give them a try.
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Go get yourself an Arsenal. You know you want to. What's another 500+-?
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Wasrs can be had for $600 or less shipped if you watch sales. Just a couple months ago they were $540 shipped.

Wasr is your best bet for a new ak
I agree plus theres a ton of aftermarket products for it.
2nd place goes to the MAK90.


WASR $599
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Get a WASR, everyone should have one.... Then, just like the rest of us, your addiction will get the best of you, and you'll end up with a Polish, Yugo/serb, Chicom, Bulgarian, and maybe a Russian if you can stomach the recent prices.

Seriously, a WASR is decent start, but I can also strongly recommend a WBP Polish from Atlantic. Cost is a few hundred more, but its a top notch gun. Whatever you decided, its likely that you'll end up with a few more.
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True 650 isnt bad but people 1 month ago got it for 550 which is what leads me to hesitate on the purchase. With stock low im inclined to think that prices are artificially high. the urgency to pickone up isnt there. i have a few other guns to keep me entertained while i look for a good entry level AK.
Man I bet you find someone who bought it for 450 when you bought it for 550. Lol that doesnít matter. Believe me, just get it now and be happy about it. Wasr is the best buy right now. Iíd also stay away from any parts kit builds for now. Factory import would be the best.
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