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Old 11-23-2017, 02:43 PM   #36
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My opinion is a WASR will be the least collectable and retain or gain value down the road. Simply put there nothing special and there is lots and lots of them . Again they run fine but at today's prices I'd save a little more and step it up a little.
Look for one of the WASRs with the better fit and finish, military model(GP WASR-10/63) built with military parts and just shoot it.

It will last the rest of your life.

Don't worry about collector value.

At the end of the day, it's still a real AK.
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Old 11-23-2017, 03:34 PM   #37
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There’s no such thing as an ‘entry AK’. If you want an AK, decide what stock you want (fixed, sidefolder, underfolder, etc) and then decide how much of a premium you want to pay. A good Combloc gun or any kit gun made by a reputable builder will serve you the same, except for aesthetics and function of the stock.

That being said, looking for a nice used WASR is a good plan. I sold one locally last week for $525.
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Old 11-23-2017, 03:36 PM   #38
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Look for one of the WASRs with the better fit and finish, military model(GP WASR-10/63) built with military parts and just shoot it.

It will last the rest of your life.

Don't worry about collector value.

At the end of the day, it's still a real AK.
I agree with this. They'll all last you forever. I too liked the (straight) older 10/63's, though that's based on personal preference.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a WASR.
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Old 11-23-2017, 04:36 PM   #39
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Sar-1, Wasr, Mak, or whatever rifle you choose and all the mags and ammo you can afford to buy. I have an arsenal marked GP WASR-10/63 like David Teague spoke of above along with many others. It is straight as an arrow and solid as any of them. Very good rifle. Emphasis on mags and ammo though.

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Old 11-23-2017, 06:40 PM   #40
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Atlantic, the QC WASR or the WBP.

Since you like military, like me you have excellent taste lol, Atlantic offers a BFPU occasionally. Might make you enjoy it a tad more. (Battlefield Pickup, "road worn" condition)

Doing the kit/build thing is something I did want to try. But there's only about 3 or 4 builders I would trust. There's a guy here in Talent Oregon, there's Ken Kubin in the Great Lakes area, Definative Arms, and maybe the Gunplumber dude. Not sure if he's available though. The Three Rivers people aren't exactly good bearers of our cause.

I suggest a SAR-1, very very close to a true military combloc factory build. Watch forums and gunbroker, shouldn't cost more than $700 total for a nice unmolested example. That or the Atlantic QC WASR. The WBP is going to total $1000 after all said and done.
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http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

I say move up the food chain and never look back.

Spend the extra money and get a nice Atlantic parts build, just as nice as (almost) any factory AK. INHO Defiantly higher quality than a WASR.

On the E. German DDR AK, once the part kits dry up they will skyrocket in price.
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:00 PM   #42
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Look for one of the WASRs with the better fit and finish, military model(GP WASR-10/63) built with military parts and just shoot it.

It will last the rest of your life.

Don't worry about collector value.

At the end of the day, it's still a real AK.
Can't really disagree.
I never cared about collector value at all now when I pull a kit out of the pile I think Hmmmmm I could sell this for $500 make $400 and not use it for some Franken build like I'm used to doing.

Nothing wrong with them there a AK they go pew pew pew.
I have a few various factory Rommy rifles I got them cheap because they had issues guys didn't want to deal with fixing a cheap gun back then. Mostly canted sights or mag fit issues.
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http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

I say move up the food chain and never look back.

Spend the extra money and get a nice Atlantic parts build, just as nice as (almost) any factory AK. INHO Defiantly higher quality than a WASR.

On the E. German DDR AK, once the part kits dry up they will skyrocket in price.
If I had 1k burning a hole in my pocket I wouldn't buy anything other than a Polska
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Old 11-23-2017, 08:40 PM   #44
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Ok i bought the WASR. too many things with the N-Pap that bothered me.
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:03 PM   #45
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Ok i bought the WASR. too many things with the N-Pap that bothered me.
Nice contrats.
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:14 PM   #46
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Ok i bought the WASR. too many things with the N-Pap that bothered me.
Congrats. Enjoy
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:30 PM   #47
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auskip07: Good move. The astute Mods and members here see nothing wrong with them.

Were the WASRs attached to very durable, attractive wood, i.e. Polish or Russian, and always had nice bluing (like my EG Makarovs) instead of the faded appearance of the
grayish finishes seen on many, like my SAR-1, imagine how much higher the prices would be.

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Old 11-23-2017, 10:42 PM   #48
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I suggest Chinese AK's. I think any Chinese gun is fine quality. In my opinion, certainly better quality than the WASR. I have both. If you don't mind the longer barrel, NHM91 seem to sell for less than MAK90.
yes, but hard to find. I think Vepr and saiga also great choice
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:07 PM   #49
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Ok i bought the WASR. too many things with the N-Pap that bothered me.
Ok cool. WASR will suit you fine and should work very well.
Now mags and ammo. And just so I understand, I did not read every ones
post, what were the "too many things" with the N-pap?
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:10 PM   #50
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Don’t get to hung up on the choice, as long as it’s an import! Get a WASR or a NPAP if that fits your budget, and get more later. Shoot your new AK clone, get proficient with it and remember its a hobby and have fun.

I Like this option, (and picture), the best honestly. I don't think one could have just one AK. Seriously if you were trying to limit yourself to as few as possible and stay true to its history you would at least need 2 calibers. With that said, if you were truly looking to have just one ak variant I would buy a milled gun. Probably not the most popular choice and shit I only own one, but it really is a joy to shoot and the extra weight is way over blow IMO.
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:15 PM   #51
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Ok i bought the WASR. too many things with the N-Pap that bothered me.
"You have chosen, wisely." As long as it was Combloc, you were in the clear. Cugir products are fantastic. I love my Draco. What concerned you with Zastava?
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:26 PM   #52
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"You have chosen, wisely." As long as it was Combloc, you were in the clear. Cugir products are fantastic. I love my Draco. What concerned you with Zastava?
Rob Ski last test of the Npap showed cracks in the back of the receivers. if you look at it and am honest with yourself its clear that the rear highest rivet is really too close to the cover release button. Not enough meat to keep the receiver from cracking. looks like a design flaw. lots of people swear by the n-pap so maybe its not a real issue but that was enough to keep me from pulling the trigger

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Ok and you are right I watched that. Did you even consider a
u/f?
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Ok and you are right I watched that. Did you even consider a
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no, i wanted a fixed stock. Perhaps the Under fold will be in the future.
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What part of ATL? I live between rockdale and newton counties.
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What part of ATL? I live between rockdale and newton counties.
Im in Mableton unincorporated cobb county. i shoot at bobs custom firearms in Palmetto
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50 or so miles not to bad. Big Place.
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:08 PM   #58
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My lack of experience with AKMs says you did well by choosing the WASR. Rob Ski's deep experience and Ron, the range manager at Battlefield Las Vagas, also agree with my opinion. See how fucking smart I am?

Anyway these 2 guys know AKs inside and out and I chose the WASR after watching and reading their online input. Rob Ski can be found here and on the Tube, Ron's views can be found on arfcom in a thread titled "Ak Abuse".

Not many rounds down range yet but ZERO issues, loving my Cugir and she is loving me like a horny whore on payday!
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Well if you valuate things I paid 489 for my entry ak AB2 and 639 for the 63D and they are scarce now. And I just bought them because I liked them. And as far as 777 your ak strokes you? Really? Got a 7.62 pecker?
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USA AK market right now is burning tire diarrhea.

You either get a WASR or you overpay or you go suicidal and buy a US made AK. Your choice.
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AK market is indeed crap right meow.

Wake me up when WASR's are $500 again, and the Arsenal 107FR's are back.
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Best time to buy AKs was in the 80s and 90s to be honest.
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AK market is indeed crap right meow.

Wake me up when WASR's are $500 again, and the Arsenal 107FR's are back.
You're gonna wanna find a coffin to sleep in
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You're gonna wanna find a coffin to sleep in
Maybe so.

I'm just taking advantage of the cheap AR's right now.
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AK market is indeed crap right meow.

Wake me up when WASR's are $500 again, and the Arsenal 107FR's are back.
Since when do these things get cheaper? In general, the prices just slowly increase over time (as far as I can remember).
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Maybe so.

I'm just taking advantage of the cheap AR's right now.
Which ones are those? RAS @ 450-475 seems to be the cheapest ive seen
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Maybe so.

I'm just taking advantage of the cheap AR's right now.
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On a budget=WASR
if not, get a WBP Atlantic build or VEPR (even if it needs a conversion while they're still out there). I have 3 Veprs and wish I had bought 5 more several years ago as they are better than most anything else otherwise available and a beast of a weapon.



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Best time to buy AKs was in the 80s and 90s to be honest.
You do understand saying that is cliche and old. but you are kinda right.
I really think the best thing going at this moment is the AK63DS. It will and is a keeper. They were 499 and now depending where you look 550 plus. To me if I had the money it would be here. But I also have to say I am partial to the u/f,
you have to be a natural shot to appreciate it.
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You do understand saying that is cliche and old. but you are kinda right.
I really think the best thing going at this moment is the AK63DS. It will and is a keeper. They were 499 and now depending where you look 550 plus. To me if I had the money it would be here. But I also have to say I am partial to the u/f,
you have to be a natural shot to appreciate it.
I know I know I just miss the good ol days.
I highly recommend a TGI import Hungarian AMD, they could could be still had for a fair price and it is stupid accurate. very light and handy as well.
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