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Old 11-28-2017, 05:39 PM   #1
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I would be trading away my converted .308 Vepr with 4 CS 20 round mags and original mags for
A FM Vepr in 7.62x39, 10 surplus mags and 1k of Wolf.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:54 PM   #2
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Before the ban, FM Vepr was 999. So they're 1000+ all day now. Let's just guess conservatively at 1300

10 mags at approx $10- 13 each = 130

1k of wolf shipped is usually 220.

You're looking at a trade value of $1650, and possibly more. I based that vepr price completely objectively - it likely is more.

How much have you got in your 308?

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Old 11-28-2017, 05:55 PM   #3
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Who are you robbin'? I got another vepr 308 for him for the same terms...
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:55 PM   #4
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I'm not sure how the cash value of each rifle works out, but it would be worth it to me simply because .308 has priced itself out of the realm of calibers I'd be willing to feed in a semi auto. I'd rather have a rifle, 10 mags, and a case of ammo than a rifle, 4 mags, and an empty wallet.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:04 PM   #5
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I guess it would depend on what other AKs you have.
If you have quality AKs in 7.62 then maybe not.
However the FM is awesome, and if you need a quality AK, and the .308 is expensive to shoot. So then I would do it.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:08 PM   #6
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converted .308 Vepr with 4 CS 20 round mags and original mags for about $900 + $120


A FM Vepr in 7.62x39, 10 surplus mags and 1k of Wolf.

$1150+ + $70+ + 170+
take the fm, no question (assuming in good condition)
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:17 PM   #7
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Before the ban, FM Vepr was 999. So they're 1000+ all day now. Let's just guess conservatively at 1300

10 mags at approx $10- 13 each = 130

1k of wolf shipped is usually 120.

You're looking at a trade value of $1550, and possibly more. I based that vepr price completely objectively - it likely is more.

How much have you got in your 308?
I have a SGM rail on it and a Vltor stock adapter. So prob another 200 bucks give or take.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:18 PM   #8
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take the fm, no question (assuming in good condition)
Iím going to do. He only has 40 rounds through it.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:20 PM   #9
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I guess it would depend on what other AKs you have.
If you have quality AKs in 7.62 then maybe not.
However the FM is awesome, and if you need a quality AK, and the .308 is expensive to shoot. So then I would do it.
I have A good amount of quality AKs. The .308 prices are killing me and Iím setup really good in 7.62 ammo. I guess I answered my own question lol
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:21 PM   #10
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Who are you robbin'? I got another vepr 308 for him for the same terms...
Hahaha. I will let him know.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:33 PM   #11
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I have A good amount of quality AKs. The .308 prices are killing me and Iím setup really good in 7.62 ammo. I guess I answered my own question lol
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:32 PM   #12
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I love the FM... A fully converted Russian AK (or rpk depending how you look at it), but the 308 vepr is by far the most accurate AK I have ever owned. With that said ar10s are cheap now and the trade is priced in your favor.
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:47 PM   #13
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Look at where prices are now these days on Izhmash rifles 3+ years after that sanction.
Yes Saigas have gone up, but Arsenal/FIME factory SGLs have really shot up there.
I figure a similar situation will happen with VEPRs, at least if nothing changes. The Hunting/Sporting models will be desirable sure, but collector prices will go to the FM guns.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:11 PM   #14
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Before the ban, FM Vepr was 999. So they're 1000+ all day now. Let's just guess conservatively at 1300

10 mags at approx $10- 13 each = 130

1k of wolf shipped is usually 120.

You're looking at a trade value of $1550, and possibly more. I based that vepr price completely objectively - it likely is more.

How much have you got in your 308?
Where are you getting 1k of wolf for $120 shipped?
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:14 PM   #15
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Where are you getting 1k of wolf for $120 shipped?


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Old 11-28-2017, 09:09 PM   #16
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Yep - that was a typo. Have since corrected it to $220.
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Old 11-28-2017, 10:27 PM   #17
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FM all day long. Each and every one of my AKs is nice in its own way, but there is something just a little more solid, and smooth about my Vepr FM. For me, just as you said, .308 is out of the question for me in the semi auto world.
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Old 11-28-2017, 10:28 PM   #18
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Trade deals don't always have to be even. Sometimes you trade up in value and sometimes trade down. Don't worry about every penny. If you want to trade then trade.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:29 AM   #19
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So where are the pics of the newly acquired FM?
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Old 11-29-2017, 03:24 AM   #20
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Arsenal has the fm for 1600 right now.

https://www.k-var.com/molot-vepr-fm-...-5-rd-magazine
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So where are the pics of the newly acquired FM?
For real man!
I would not allow that guy the time to change his mind!
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:58 AM   #22
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I'm not sure how the cash value of each rifle works out, but it would be worth it to me simply because .308 has priced itself out of the realm of calibers I'd be willing to feed in a semi auto. I'd rather have a rifle, 10 mags, and a case of ammo than a rifle, 4 mags, and an empty wallet.
Steel case .308 Wolf/Tula for $0.31-0.33/round
Brass case Malaysian ammo/South Korean surplus 7.62x51 $0.37-0.40/round

Steel case 7.62x39 for $0.19-0.21/round
Brass case Yugo surplus or PP 7.62x39 for $0.30-0.44/round

I wouldn't consider that pricing itself out of the market. Is x51/.308 a little more expensive than x39? Sure. However, the .308/x51 can do things the x39 can't. So I wouldn't consider the .308 priced out of the market.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:46 PM   #23
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So where are the pics of the newly acquired FM?
Iím meeting him this Sunday. Thatís the earliest he can do it. I will give you guys some pics when I get it. Sunday canít come soon enough.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:47 PM   #24
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For real man!
I would not allow that guy the time to change his mind!
Iím not. Iíve even offered to meet anytime anywhere.
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Steel case .308 Wolf/Tula for $0.31-0.33/round
Brass case Malaysian ammo/South Korean surplus 7.62x51 $0.37-0.40/round

Steel case 7.62x39 for $0.19-0.21/round
Brass case Yugo surplus or PP 7.62x39 for $0.30-0.44/round

I wouldn't consider that pricing itself out of the market. Is x51/.308 a little more expensive than x39? Sure. However, the .308/x51 can do things the x39 can't. So I wouldn't consider the .308 priced out of the market.
Most people go to the .308 to take advantage of more inherently accurate rounds in a more accurate platform. AK based rifles don't exactly squeeze every bit of that accuracy advantage out of the caliber, and as such we are really talking about short range anti-personnel type rifles. For the purpose of taking out bad guys at reasonable range with reasonable accuracy to suit that task... The 7.62x39 does more than adequately.

To see much of an advantage in accuracy with both rifles being an AK based operating system, you need to extend the range. Extend it far enough to make much difference, and you need quality brass cased ammo in the .308 to let it show its potential.

All of this is to say that within the spectrum of using the rifle for 2 legged adversaries inside of a couple hundred yards... The 7.62x39 will do an outstanding job using only steel cased ammo at approximately $0.20 per round based upon the estimates you provided. The .308 wouldn't offer a considerable advantage over that combination until ranges stretched out to beyond a couple hundred yards, in which case you would obviously want to be running the quality brass cased .308 ammo which neither PP, nor surplus would fit the bill. Even with those options, based upon your own estimates... You're looking at paying an average of around $0.37 per round.

That's almost double the price, and it would cost considerably more to load the .308 with ammo really worthy of being used for long range accurate shooting.

I did the .308 thing back when surplus 7.62x51 was everywhere for CHEAP. Back then, I had a semi auto PTR-91 with over 100 H&K magazines, and it was fun. These days, I occasionally shoot out to 500 or so yards, and when I do... I don't use ANY Kalashnikov based weapon, or other semi auto to do it.

I stand by my assessment that for semi auto rifles, the .308 is priced way too high for consideration. The only thing that would change my opinion would be if I had a .308 AK that I was trying to sell, or was trying to convince myself that it was worth keeping around.
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Old 11-30-2017, 11:38 AM   #26
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I love my .308 vepr i traded my cz scorpion for mine with couple upgrades . But the FIME vepr x39 is going up way more in value I see them for $1600 ! Well worth the trade on your end
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